10,500 then fold to any more aggression.

Really don't think you should fold

This

I pot Get it in and love life.... Theres ZERO agrument to fold....

I actually dont hate a call in this spot considering u have postion against what sounds like the spot at the table. Anybody under 30 I think its a jam in a vacuum that is.

Sick line....Im confused u have a set right Oh well I tilt call with AK and move on....

just have a bigger spade next time.

Good Idea

Feels like a spot to raise the turn. As played though I'm folding most my river thin value hands in this spot so ur bluff can't be bad.

surely though when we jam the turn we take a huge chunk of airballs out? if he has a hand like a pair with the or the , maybe even the vs this guy he'll call anyways but his non-spade airballs he's just going to fold surely? I can't work the stacks out but do we have room to click the turn back? that could be cool as he might peel some garbage or even jam with nothing. I guess the profit of a turn click-back is going to depend on the comparable frequencies between him jaming air/pair+big spades to the time times he just flats his big spades to the time he calls a turn jam or bigger raise with his big spade hands.

If he jams with air hardly ever and calls with his big spades most of the time then a turn raise would be bad (speshly if he calls of his big spade hands which I think he will) but given how he prolly has airballs/light semi-bluffs here a lot of the time I can't see too much merit for a raise without more reads we're not being told about.

I can see logic behind calling the river vs some poor players, a lot of the more spazzy-passive (stnd "fish" tendancies I think) ones would never have the or the here because they would never semi-bluff that hand on the turn, they'd be completely polarised to a flush (could well be smaller than yours) or a random airball. Guys like this guy in my experience from what you've said (and proven by the fact he turns up with AQ here bluffing - or at least we think he's bluffing) are capable of bluffing with showdown hands/good draws, which makes the river an impossible call imo, he could even decide to "bluff" with a hand like Q* which would suck, a lot of times people like this guy will reach and river and just jam because he doesn't read the hand too good and his default style of play is to be aggressive. It's a terrible terrible bluff as your range has plenty of hands in (assuming you flat all your flushes ott which I think you should) and I'd say your turn range is wieghted pretty hevily towards flushes, , , , , , ,  ,  ,  (and so on) + some smaller combo's as well as some  Q*, Q* hands nearly all of which call this river ( possibly the only one folding) the only naked set you could realistically have is 33 and you're raise the flop a high% and you could have JT no spades I guess. but basically a massive chunk of your turn range is calling this river jam which makes it a terrible bluff from him, just so happens we had the fragment of our range which needs to fold, doesn't make his play any better or our play any worse.

Just not meant to be this hand.

+1 Although I really don't think due to game flow and the way he's been playing clicking back the turn wouldn't be good, just as we want all his bluffs to continue on the river I just can't see if we jam or click it back he's ever continuing with out a hand that doesn't have us beat. I'm glad u think it's a fold though and so do most as I went to sleep with this one in my head all nite! :/ Kind of annoying as these €5-10  games rarely run that often.

I nearly just spaz called in a second, which I wish i did now as I then decided to tank fold and then he decided to show the AcQh Fuck my life...

Okay were 7 handed we have 1 guy thats just terrible and playing crazy but i think tilt had some part to do with it, Hes already jammed 8c3c pre flop against me for €1470 after i 3bet AK from the button I called and he won. this is like 10 hands later...

Effective stacks are €2600 Im on the button with 7s8s villan is in the cuttoff (crazy fish) he opens to $30 i flat button small blind calls to. Flop Sb checks Fish leads €55 I call Sb calls turn is both check to me I bet on the bigger side €150, Sb folds Fish makes it €685 I call which I think is the only option in this spot, thoughts if u think otherwise? river is Fish puts me in for like €1700 or something we? I Puked and wished I had a 10 min timebank

but "move down in stakes" because of 1 hand that tilted me.....

I would have been tilted by that as well in all fairness

+1

Calling the 3 bet pre is good (esp as it is so small)  I think if you're folding strong hands like j9s it's too exploitable to fold. Calling the flop is good. Raising the turn I hate as you pretty much fold out all his bluffs and potentially prevent yourself from seeing a river where you have 14 outs and also you have a draw you're opponent doesn't put you on.  It's strongly in your interests to see a river not only for your outs but also you can bluff any heart.

Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left.  Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand.   In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs.

Don't know the poster of the hand but think he might have got defensive as his question  got treated by some as it was trivial and he got told rather dismissively to move down stakes.  Obv the whole hand is a bit of a brag but as a self confessed bragger I guess it doesnt bother me too much.

Interesting....

Yeh defensive is correct there was no need for that post. I'm exact the same on river with value hands I don't always just jam if I have a pot size bet left I think thinking of every option in Any given hand is always good.

I didn't "brag" in anyway up untill the point of move down stakes comment I was actually enjoying the thread and most people's thoughts, Ive not once posted on here for any other reason but advice and peoples thoughts. I'm by no means great at poker maybe I did play the hand terrible for most that's why I posted it here but "move down in stakes" because of 1 hand that tilted me.....

[lmao I think its quite funny how much people pick hands apart that everythings bad but ive been beating these games for a year now]

lmao I think its quite funny how much people pick hands apart that everythings bad but ive been beating these games for a year now. I bet half pot on the river and he jammed with  So I guess considering river sizing was a good idea.....

Well this statement is just completely retarded.

So the whole thread was a "i'm good enough to peel 3bets OOP with J9 and make sick river bets" brag was it? Thanks for wasting everyone's time pretending to want our opinions.

You have been beating the games for a year (lol btw) you know best   /thread.

GL "crushing" when it doesn't come club club....


Thanks I probably need It after how bad i played this hand... I did get totaly different responses on another forum mind.... I think shoving the river is fine 2 but betting half pot with bluffs and value hands is defo something to consider here....

if you even need to consider river sizing i suggest you move down limits

what limits do you play? Strong statement....

lmao I think its quite funny how much people pick hands apart that everythings bad but ive been beating these games for a year now. I bet half pot on the river and he jammed with  So I guess considering river sizing was a good idea.....