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Poker Forums / Live Tournament Updates / Re: DTD £100,000 GTD £150 April Deepstack; Day 2 and final
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on: April 08, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
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The final two tables
12 1 Daniel Muddiman
12 2 Daniel Gutteridge
12 3 Anonymous
12 4 Dahe Liu
12 5 Gordon Goodall
12 6 Kurpal Takhar
12 7 Graham Parkin
12 8 Andrew Couldridge
12 9 Mahmood Hassan
14 1 Gary Strang
14 2 Nicholas Couldridge
14 3 Lisa Biscoe
14 4 James Glossop
14 5 Mike Ramsay
14 6 Majid Nadeem
14 7 Jenny Westerlund
14 8 Alan Armitage
14 9 Jehan Zaib
GL Muddiman. Got to support the guy who knocked you out! Good to see the chips I gave you with 67o yesterday evening being put to better use than I managed... You got it in against Muddi and wasn't good ? Go on MUDDI much love from Phat Boy Poker ! |
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Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Opinions on Two Poker Rulings Please
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on: March 22, 2012, 11:26:06 PM
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A player did this in Ireland at the IPO, exposed his cards in exactly the same situation. Ruling was the same, he could call, and then he was given a substantial penalty. I think it might have been 20 minutes.
He was a drunk, arrogant, generally unpleasant arse and the whole table was happy to see him away from the table for a while.
Hey... Well I still dont see how that helps the player he then makes the call against... as I said the guy who made the all in lost 80% of his chips... hey it was only a £30 tourney... but yeah imagine it was a big tourney... I just dont think a player should be able to deliberatly do this to gain a read... but just my opinion I guess  Thanks for all the input... Funny things is I had a situation a while back... slightly different but my hand was called "dead" so I guess that's why I am tilting so much... Was in the later stages of a tournement, I wake up with pocket Aces in mid position... I raise to 1600 (blinds were 400/200) A guy on the button shoves in a huge amount of chips, which I take it to put me all in... I say "well I have to call" and shove my stack in, which was about 9800 in total... I flip over my aces... he immediatly calls for a ruling as he has only bet 9000 in total... the TD comes over and rules my hand dead, and returns my odd 800 chips... and the player takes down the pot... sucks to me hey ! |
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Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Opinions on Two Poker Rulings Please
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on: March 22, 2012, 09:30:57 PM
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In regards to number 2... the right one ? Wow, really ? How in gods earth can it be the right one... as the other guy said it's definetly a "angle" the guy made it to get a read, how is that fair ? I guess if he'd turned both over accidently I could see why the hand want dead, but to deliberatly turn it over to see the reaction of the player ?
There has been a lot of debate about this over the years. Any rule that kills an exposed hand opens the door for all sorts of horrific angle-shoots that commonly happened in rooms that had such a rule. People who are actually able to get reliable reads from exposing cards are few and far between and the greater concern is showing cards in a bubble situation to avoid a call - a penalty is therfore an adequate response to the situation. Hmmmm... The bigger angle is showing the card to get a read... hence why people doing it should result in a dead hand... have to be honest I have now googled it and most say the hand is dead, I guess some dont opens the door for inconsistancy  |
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Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Opinions on Two Poker Rulings Please
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on: March 22, 2012, 09:29:26 PM
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As for your life sentence, that particular card room manager is one of the best and would not have made a ruling to favour his friends. Assuming of course it was George, who posts on here as "relaedgc". If it wasn't, I would recommend you contact him as he is the manager of the Luton G Casino Poker Room.
It wasn't a HIM, it was a HER... I have also emailed G about the rulings... yes I felt that much about them lol... well more so wanted clarification... As I stated in my last post the fact that people are sayign he can only call after exposing his card is pretty flawed... So your telling me this is exceptable in cash and tournements alike ? Can someone link me to any list of rules that confirms this ? No offense to any who have commented, but I seriously wuld love to see it in black and white... or if any TD's post on here, would love to hear their opinions... |
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Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Opinions on Two Poker Rulings Please
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on: March 22, 2012, 09:24:16 PM
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1. What zerofive said.
2. AFAIK, ruling given is the correct one but the player who exposed the card gets a one round penalty.
In regards to number 2... the right one ? Wow, really ? How in gods earth can it be the right one... as the other guy said it's definetly a "angle" the guy made it to get a read, how is that fair ? I guess if he'd turned both over accidently I could see why the hand want dead, but to deliberatly turn it over to see the reaction of the player ? Isn't there a rule that you can lie about what hand you have, but cant declare the actual hand ? Surely showing the actual hand is worse no ? I guess seeing the Card Room Manager who made the decision laughing and hugging the player in the break made it just a tad worse... glad it wasnt me in the hand would of put me on life tilt... It's the right ruling because you can't kill a hand for exposing a card. You can, however, stop them from taking aggressive action. Personally I'm of the belief that people should be able to expose their cards when they want. After all, if you want to tell your oppo exactly what he has then feel free! As for your life sentence, that particular card room manager is one of the best and would not have made a ruling to favour his friends. Assuming of course it was George, who posts on here as "relaedgc". If it wasn't, I would recommend you contact him as he is the manager of the Luton G Casino Poker Room. LOL I have heard this argument and it's flawed... aggressive action in this case is making the call... there is no more action to be had, it's on the river, the guy has gone all in... the guy then showing his card is getting additional information by showing his card... how can that be right ? Saying all his allowed to do is call, is like saying someone with a gun is only allowed to shoot someone in the head ? Still ends up with the same result... the guy making the bluff with the all in lost 80% of his stack... due to a move/angle made by another player trying to get a unfair read... It just dont sit well with me I guess... any TD's in here want to comment ? |
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Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Opinions on Two Poker Rulings Please
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on: March 22, 2012, 08:52:18 PM
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1. What zerofive said.
2. AFAIK, ruling given is the correct one but the player who exposed the card gets a one round penalty.
In regards to number 2... the right one ? Wow, really ? How in gods earth can it be the right one... as the other guy said it's definetly a "angle" the guy made it to get a read, how is that fair ? I guess if he'd turned both over accidently I could see why the hand want dead, but to deliberatly turn it over to see the reaction of the player ? Isn't there a rule that you can lie about what hand you have, but cant declare the actual hand ? Surely showing the actual hand is worse no ? I guess seeing the Card Room Manager who made the decision laughing and hugging the player in the break made it just a tad worse... glad it wasnt me in the hand would of put me on life tilt... |
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Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Opinions on Two Poker Rulings Please
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on: March 22, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
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1. When the floor is called over, the dealer should be authoritative enough to convince the TD that player A checked. If the dealer sees a check, then it's a check. If you check out of turn by mistake or you thought you saw a check but the dealer didn't, then obviously your argument is invalid. If the dealer has moved the action to you because he saw a check, the check should stand and the player involved should be encouraged to be more careful when making gestures that may be perceived as an action.
2. All casinos have different rules about this. If your hand isn't declared folded by exposing any part of it, then you should be given a warning or a penalty as this is a pretty clear angle. The only exception might be if it's a hand between friends who don't mind etc.
In regards to 1... well I dont think the dealer was strong enough, the way the player acted (aggressively) and the two mates who joined in the same... didn't make it easy for the dealer to say anything... 3 grown men barking that I was out of order, that he never checked, that he would never make a move like that... blah blah... The dealer said very little when asked... however he went to put the turn card down. hence he thought we'd both checked... The player clearly gestured a checking motion... whether with an intention to check, or to simulate a check to get a reaction from me... how can you say I checked out of turn ? I thought he had checked, hence why I then checked behind him... Can you not doing other gestures to check, how many players just simply point to the next player, or do some sort of motion with their hand... this was a full checking motion from this guy just in mid air... my bad I guess for assuming that it was a check... and falling for such a move... The dealer even appologised to me, and when we had a dealer change he said "at least now you got a dealer who knows more about the game"... enough said ? |
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