Whinkless makes up the small blind with   (can only think he is hoping for a raises from the BB, Murtagh, the chip leader so he can re-shove)

Anyway, Murtagh just checks.

Murtagh      

Whinkless    

Flop  

Whinkless checks, Murtagh makes it 120k, Call from Whinkless

Turn  

So this leave Whinkless open ended and the nut flush draw but still checks to Murtagh who claims all in and Whinkless immediately passes.

Played with him on Day 1 kind of shocked when i saw he made it this far, similar plays were shown early doors as well ha. I guess its a different playing style He bust me on level 12 as well, after he was berating my play, good times

Looking forward to this

Getting it in basically all the time here

Think you have too many BB's to be shoving A8s UTG, when you get to around 10 BB's you dont really have much of a choice but with 18 i think its a bit early to be shoving these kinds of hands

Martin Seider started today on 40K. He's pretty happy now on 700K.

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run good? ha

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no im not Aaron ha

Ducky7, this is your first post and it is great to see new guys contributing to threads. Welcome to blonde. You have got some stuff wrong in your post, and I'll try to explain what is wrong with your thinking.

imo you didnt do anything wrong in this spot if you are deciding to play this hand, a lot of people have responded to folding the 10 5 however we are not raising for value in this spot but raising to put pressure on our opponents and trying to take the pot down in position?

It is clear that Pleno is 3betting preflop as a bluff, rather than for value. The key point though is that this bluff, whilst it will of course work sometimes, is not profitable. Pleno has not given any indicators in his hand history that this is a spot where bluffing with any two cards would be profitable. If he had given specific reasons why he believes he can profitably get completely out of line at this particular moment vs this particular opponent then we could at least consider whether or not this bluff is profitable or not. But he hasn't given any such reasons. So there is no reason to believe that this spot is a good one. Randomly bluffing with terrible cards without specific reasons is not the right way to play profitable poker.

Plus we are playing the player not the cards

This is one of those poker cliches that sounds lovely but doesn't actually mean anything in this particular hand. Pleno has not given a single read on this player so we cannot be 'playing the player'.

Thanks for the welcome, and i had presumed he had information on the player, which would make this play more profitable even though he hadn't stated it, I guess i missed out putting that in my initial quote. However what you have said has been taken on board, when i was writing that i wasnt thinking about the play in the long run but about this hand specifically

imo you didnt do anything wrong in this spot if you are deciding to play this hand, a lot of people have responded to folding the 10 5 however we are not raising for value in this spot but raising to put pressure on our opponents and trying to take the pot down in position? The board is tough for your opponent to call down with and you are winning the pot with raw aggression in position. You are putting pressure on as the chip leader and on the turn it leaves him with a really tough decision and an awkward chip stack. Plus we are playing the player not the cards