ju5tin=Justin Turner

Bye Dena, missing u already 


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Yes I did report it.

Tyvm Rich, what a result indeed!.

I Have played a bit online, even cashed in the FGR event last year, but it was the first time I played Omaha in a festival.

The event also coincided with my birthday! Which was one of the reasons that I was playing.

I was playing a $100 sng earlier today, on tribeca,  when I noticed some odd plays between two players. In one hand, a player passes a 2200 pot for a 270 chip raise. Then, a few hands later, the same player passed a 4400 pot for 370 chip raise.

Is this a case of "chip passing" to give the 2 players and edge over the other four?

In any case, both players go out before the money, however, I did make a comment on the table after the 2nd hand.

Hands:

Single-Table Tournament
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$100 - NL - 9 Seats 13930914-36 Holdem No Limit 100/200
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Hand Start.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 1 : ironmike1 has $4,435
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 2 : slo roll has $3,560
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 3 : Mstadutd has $2,450
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 4 : DandyD has $1,990
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 7 : wilpay has $1,270
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 9 : ravne has $4,295
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : wilpay is the dealer.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : ravne posted small blind.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : ironmike1 posted big blind.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Game [36] started with 6 players.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 2 : slo roll has
[Dec 8 11:11:32] : slo roll folded.
[Dec 8 11:11:34] : Mstadutd folded.
[Dec 8 11:11:35] : DandyD folded.
[Dec 8 11:11:36] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 5 min. 
[Dec 8 11:11:39] : wilpay called 200
[Dec 8 11:11:42] : ravne called 100
[Dec 8 11:11:45] : ironmike1 checked.
[Dec 8 11:11:45] : Dealing flop.
[Dec 8 11:11:45] : Board cards [ ]
[Dec 8 11:11:52] : ravne bet 800
[Dec 8 11:11:55] : ironmike1 folded.
[Dec 8 11:11:56] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 5 min. 
[Dec 8 11:11:59] : wilpay called 800 and raised 270 and is All-in
[Dec 8 11:11:59] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Dec 8 11:12:01] : ravne folded.
[Dec 8 11:12:02] : wilpay wins 2,200 as the last player standing
[Dec 8 11:12:05] : Hand is over.
[Dec 8 11:12:05] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 5 min. 


Single-Table Tournament
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$100 - NL - 9 Seats 13930914-41 Holdem No Limit 100/200
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Hand Start.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 1 : ironmike1 has $2,835
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 2 : slo roll has $3,760
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 3 : Mstadutd has $2,150
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 4 : DandyD has $1,490
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 7 : wilpay has $2,570
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 9 : ravne has $5,195
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : DandyD is the dealer.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : wilpay posted small blind.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : ravne posted big blind.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Game [41] started with 6 players.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 2 : slo roll has
[Dec 8 11:15:25] : ironmike1 folded.
[Dec 8 11:15:25] : slo roll folded.
[Dec 8 11:15:27] : Mstadutd folded.
[Dec 8 11:15:27] : DandyD folded.
[Dec 8 11:15:31] : wilpay called 100
[Dec 8 11:15:34] : ravne checked.
[Dec 8 11:15:34] : Dealing flop.
[Dec 8 11:15:34] : Board cards [ ]
[Dec 8 11:15:36] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 1 min. 
[Dec 8 11:15:40] : wilpay bet 400
[Dec 8 11:15:52] : ravne called 400
[Dec 8 11:15:52] : Dealing turn.
[Dec 8 11:15:52] : Board cards [ ]
[Dec 8 11:15:56] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 1 min. 
[Dec 8 11:16:03] : wilpay checked.
[Dec 8 11:16:09] : ravne bet 1,600
[Dec 8 11:16:16] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 1 min. 
[Dec 8 11:16:28] : wilpay called 1,600 and raised 370 and is All-in
[Dec 8 11:16:28] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Dec 8 11:16:35] : ravne folded.
[Dec 8 11:16:36] : wilpay wins 4,400 as the last player standing
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Hand is over.
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 5 Next level in: 8 min. 
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Level up. New stakes : 150/300
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Level up. New stakes : 150/300
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 8 min. 
[Dec 8 11:16:40] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 8 min.

The point here, i think, is that you want to have the best chance of winning this tourney.

This leaves two options, at this point,

1) push with the 7's and double through or

2) make all in moves the next two hands in a row, regardless of your holding

If successful, both options would double you up before the bb comes to you. I cant really see any other way of getting back into a winning position in this tourney

The 7's. The chances of a bigger pair out there, 6 handed, is relatively low so theres a good chance that if  you push here you will be 50/50. Also theres a good chance the bigstack would leave you two alone to fight it out.(although he will call with a hand)

I think your stack is now so low, compared to the chip leader, that the all in moves are not likely to succeed, the bigstack is going to be behind you for the next 2 hands and his calling requirements will be very low, so you are most likely going to be around 40% - 60%, if you push next hand or the one after.

So on balance, its probably pushing with the 7's here that will give you the best chance of wining the tourney. Win this one and you can still use the next 2 hands to increase your stack and your position in the tourney.

If however, I just wanted to do the best i could, and place, I pass here.

If you are gambling because you are in the rebuy stage, this play is fine, however, in a freezeout, I believe this play is just too costly and risky.

J10 is an overrated hand at best, here, you flop the nuts but your only 52% to win the hand. And its probably worth pointing out that if A8 had folded and you were up against only 2 hands, your still only 50% to win the hand. Even if you get called just by the flush draw, your still not that far ahead. Worse case scenario is probably against a set and a flushdraw were your only 39% to the sets 36%.

So no matter what you flop with J10 ,after cold calling a raise with at least 4 runners, your probably not going to be far ahead. The wisest play here is probably to pass pre-flop unless your gambling, in which case you shouldnt have a problem calling all the way

1st thing to look at here is the decision to limp.

personally, if Im in this situation, its an easy pass. I would have to have a reason to play from this position with the type of players behind you that you had. "mixing it up" just isnt a good enough reason here. Even if im in top gear, ruling the table, I would prefer a hand like suited connectors or small pair. Some hand that I could flop a less than obvious hand and get paid well, rather than A8 that could flop a second best hand.

 So, you limp, but what are ypu going to do now? Are you going to pass to almost all preflop raises?  Most flops your simply going to check and pass to a bet? whats this play going to prove to the others at the table? that you can limp in early position with less than premium hands? Perhaps, that they can outplay you when u are in early position? The point is that this play could affect your table image, so its important to know what image that your trying to preserve or change.

After the flop you bet because its a good flop and you and you just want to end it here and pick up the 5k profit in the pot and after all, you are representing aces here. I think this is probably the right play now you are here.

now lionel raises, what has he got? i think its a more difficult read now you have limped, whats more, your limp may have deterred him from raising some hands he would normally raise with and given value to some hands he wouldnt normally limp with. having played with lionel it just is not impossible that he has K9 K2 29, 99 22. he would normally raise 99, but what if your limp put him off raising or he was mixing up his play? its also not impossible that he has q10 kx or even 9x, but the point is, the way the hand has been played, you just cant be sure here?

Seeing as you cant be sure of lionels holding, you cant be sure he can give it up. Remember too, that he has raised you on the flop, quite a strong play if he put u on a strong holding preflop, so personally i pass here.

Your raise, however, takes down the pot. This is a superb result. you have made a tidy profit and the other players at the table claim they all knew you had limped with aces. Your image is now impeccable.Your re-steals from now on make you a massive, risk free, profit and  now, everyone thinks twice before stealing from you and every hand you play will be viewed as aces.

Some players egos get the better of them here and they show the bluff, what a waste that would be huh?

in conclusion, i dont play A8 here, instead i wait for easier hands to play and less risky spots.

If i had played it, i would bet the flop and pass for the reraise. Lionel's flop raise is a fairly strong play and i couldnt be that sure that he would lay down here.

hey Tikay,

Can u wish Carmy Banin good luck for me

tyvm

Justin Turner