You wait till a new game starts shorthanded and you get the button.

Were they signed through you for rakeback?

Yes.

I've just reread both this and the 2+2 thread.

I now have to say that if that is svindle posting, which it looks like it is, he's dropped another bombshell talking about vikingbet poker.

The only other thing that still worries me slightly is Eskabars own involvement in this episode.

how so?

Thank you for looking at it from a logical unbias point of view. I was talking to svindle while he posted on 2+2 it is not a hoax and I believe Totalise can confirm this. Svindle has publically admitted it

As far as me saying I CAN prove it. I believe I had enough information to prove it (svindle obviously thought so to thats why he admitted it as he had nothing to lose). One mans proof is another mans "maybe" though.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8727742&an=0&page=1#Post8727742

I'm done responding to people asking me to prove it. Read the threads. I have nothing else to say on the subject.

Yes I'm 18.. what does that change? I've given 10,000's in rakeback to my clients. Why would one question my honesty on this subject?

My reason for pointing this out is because surely it is illegal for an under 18yr old to play (for cash) not to mention the other rakeback affiliations you had going on. IRRELEVANT.

Would I be right in guessing it all went tits up when they found out ur age? YOU WOULD BE WRONG.

If im not wrong I think I used to play with you for a while on the $1/3 stts on tribeca a while back..I like to watch higher stake tables and saw you progress up the stakes fairly quickly. AND?

By rights you have been totally dishonest by playing underage in the first place. IRRELEVANT AGAIN

It seems like you were trying to poach customers (as Wardonkey has mentioned) which is a bannable offence. YES, YES I WAS.

You were aware of cheating and didnt report it (for your own financial gain) INDIRECT FINANCIAL GAIN AND MY FUTURE AND OTHER REASONS AS STATED IF YOU READ THE WHOLE THREAD

And now you are skint you want to OUT them all !!! THIS IS NOT WHY I'M OUTING THEM. WHAT DO I GET OUT OF OUTING THEM WHEN IM SKINT.. NOTHING BUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF HASSLE BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU. ALSO I OUTED THEM TO FRIENDS JUST NEVER PUBLICALLY. ONCE AGAIN READ THE THREADS.

I have reported several people in the past who I have suspected of cheating and colluding...first off I call them a cheating bstard in the chat log...let them defend themselves and if i am not happy then i contact manager. IRRELEVANT, DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO WHAT I'M DOING/SAYING HAPPENED. WHAT "PROOF" DID YOU HAVE THEN.

I cant speak for any other network but I know BOS is VERY keen to investigate possible cheats and took my accusations very serious and looked into my complaint. 2 people were banned but the ring leader is still around. THIS RIGHT HERE SHOWS HOW LITTLE YOU REALLY KNOW OR ARE AWARE ON THE SUBJECT... BOS IS OUT OF BUSINESS.. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

They obviously need positive proof before they can take action which is fair enough. POSITIVE PROOF? HE HAS ADMITTED TO IT BEFORE YOU POSTED THIS.. ONCE AGAIN HOW ABOUT YOU READ THREADS BEFORE YOU POST. ALSO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THIS MAGICAL PROOF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IN A CASE LIKE THIS.

The point everyone is trying to make is....you have given us no PROOF that this guy and his mates are cheating. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOW A DEAD TOPIC BECAUSE HE ADMITTED IT YOU ONCE AGAIN PROVE HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE TO THE SUBJECT AND THAT YOU HAVEN'T READ THESE THREADS.

You are saying you are warning people off...I think you have succeeded there as everyone who sits at a table with him will be watching...trouble is...hes not likely to use that name again IF he is a cheat. TRUE BUT PEOPLE KNOW HIM OUTSIDE OF JUST A SCREENAME. ONCE AGAIN READ THE THREAD.

I think in whole you have possibly done yourself more damage...I hope not as i am sure your intentions were admirable when you first posted. POSSIBLY DONE MYSELF MORE DAMAGE. IS IT BETTER I NEVER CAME OUT WITH THIS... WHERE ARE YOUR MORALS YOU HOLD SO HIGH NOW IF YOU SAY I SHOULD OF KEPT QUEIT.

You really need to back your story up with more evidence before people can believe.........after all........someone could come on here with counter accusations and say YOU have been cheating....who are we to believe? ONCE AGAIN READ THE THREAD. SERIOUSLY.... READ THE THREAD YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

The only person that could of pulled this "joke" Is me or one of svindles boys.

It can be proven it's not me.

edit: or someone I told to do it... but man you are reaching at strings and I don't know why. All the info is infront of you.

Are you being serious right now? What part of the information do you have doubts about?

And how do they have all the information they do?

edit: Like I said sometimes nothing short of DNA evidence or Videotape evidence is good enough for people who don't want to believe something. There is widespread online cheating like this. It should be obvious to the sites.. it is not and I'll let you pick a reason as to why it hasn't been handled.

It was 'svindle's first post on 2+2....

Not surprising... not sure he even knew about 2+2 until I told him about the thread. I told him to come defend himself.
Also he is norweigan so not sure why it is to be expected he would post on english forums often or even ever.

It does sound like a joke... but he posted many of the same things he did in our private chat that I posted up. It is the same typing style and he also knows information I never revealed to the public (his betonsports name mannafitta and brennevins betonsports name) He knew things other people who weren't close to one of us wouldn't know.

Svindle has just admitted it on 2+2. Case closed?

Esk
If you want to save your own reputation after starting this you HAVE to restore your old computer.
You need to post all the screen names you believe to be svindles/Brenns, and you need to provide hand histroies that show multiples of these users playing at the same table. If you can show that you may even convince the tank (the outcome of the hand would be irrelavent).

If you cant do this, or cant get your computer fixed then I wish you luck trying to prove any of this.

I am not saying i dont believe you, I am just saying that if i was in your shoes I would have made damn sure I had all this info to hand before i started posting about it.

What will this prove that anything else already hasn't? He admits to having many accounts that play on the same table.. he just says the cards are never shared. If I do get the list of their screenames I'll have to leave it up to dataminers/regulars in the game to search it though as I don't have that many hands with them while they wre at same table(for obvious reasons). Anyways I know for sure I can get svindles main name, and bos name that ended up playing at the same table... would this be enough?

The only thing svindle is even denying is the card sharing part.. this is why I think you are wrong in saying I need to recover my computer as it doesn't give "iron clad evidence" to that. Anyways we will see what tribeca says about it. BTW they would not give me a list of svindles/brennevins names (SOP).

I have asked for an investiagtion. Do you not understand I would still warn people no matter how that investiagtion goes with what I believe to be proof? Without the will to report it is pointless... are you serious? Svindle has cheated no matter what happens in this investiagtion. It will always look like a personal vendetta when someone outs someone they have been somewhat buddy buddy with in the past. Childish? I doubt the people that play those stakes and sometimes get their money chopped due to this will think so.

Also the hosts don't know what they are doing. He kept asking me for proof in a hand history similar to what you guys did. They think it is going to be someone pumping with 72 to get the pot juicy for AA? Are people really that ignorant to high-mid stakes colluding?

"I'm sure collusion and cheating exists i have personally reported someone who i saw with two exact profiles and very similar user names in the same MTT"

LOL! And you don't think all the info infront of you is reason to believe they are cheating when you report on those grounds? Also what do you mean by "someone who can do something about it". Tribeca can ban them then they can pop up with new ips or names or go to a new site. The label of cheater isn't going to leave though and believe it or not there is a world outside of online poker that they will have to face. So I believe this WAS the best angle and not siltently getting them banned from the site.

Either way the investigation is under way (said the incompetent host) so we will see what happens.