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1  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Annoymous gambling poll - Martingale system on: February 02, 2007, 07:21:39 PM
i cant see it. can you explain little more simply.....

When you do this it takes about ten minutes (unless you're really unlucky - or really lucky)

Mathematically its hard but one way of looking at it:

The probability that you bust out (and stop being able to wager) is higher the bigger the bet you make. If you make a very small bet then because you make so many bets (your standard deviation  goes as root number of hands) - then you are less likely to bust out. (OK the number of hands guarantee a loss rate but this is the other end of the risk/return)

If you double up on a big bet you have to decide what to do. Triming profits is a good thing (i.e take your $100) you just cant keep doubling up...only a  loony would keep staking what he has just won.. until he bust.

It turns out you need to play about 30-50 hands to reduce the probability of busting but keep your work rate reasonable. The above system does this.

Its not a big effect but it adds a few more percentage points.

Key to all this is the bust out or trim profits effect - it adds a little bit of a funny in the maths (not vast amounts).  So the idea of averages and statistical deviation (which assume linear effects) crumble a little.

This is not a system for getting rich. is does a couple of things:

1] gives you a few more percent given the right casino set up.
2] Means you play about 30 hands of BJ - this is usually enough for me Smiley

I stress this ONLY works for Party type setups where you can trim profits. Most casinos don't operate like this.





2  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Annoymous gambling poll - Martingale system on: February 01, 2007, 10:53:12 PM
The Party Poker Blackjack bonuses lend themselves to a Martingale derivative system.

you get $100 bonus (only wager on /bj) - this usually has a 1000x work rate BUT if you join the bj table and make a profit. You then witdraw to your account Your profit is then yours and untouched when you rejoin the bj table so.. what you do is:

1] Get BJ strategy chart from wizardofoddz.com (its a well known standard strategy losing less than 0.5% per hand)

2] join BJ table:

2] bet $1 if lose bet $3 if lose bet $5 If win at any point cashout

4] When you rejoin then start at $1 again

5] Keep going until you bust (need 5 or six successive losses)

The reason this works is because a) its not your money b) the only way you can get the core money is through WR (BJ is very boring)  3] Party allow you to trim off profits in this manner.




 
3  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: SnG Shortstack question on: January 06, 2007, 09:06:14 PM
there's a question of style..

personally I dont think the 2500 -3000 are going anywhere. Many will be looking at a 950 stack and CL and think - I'll keep out of that..

93 suited isn't a great hand... but if you get cl one on one and he has a drawing hand.. your not out of it...If you crack it.. your back in...and competing

If you take the blinds..(yeah only 10% of the time).. your actually a bit of a threat...

When the blinds take 400 out of you everyone will assume weakness and even cl may collude...to oust you...

Realise as well that an utg all-in is usually perceived as strong. If CL calls  he puts you at over 2.2k.  Hes then got everyone below him snapping at his heels... Many CL are really content to sit back and let the small stacks fight it out..


I think it was Moneymaker who went out of wsop with 72 s UTG either this year or last (and in the early stages when he was chip starved).. same trick...

 
4  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: SnG Shortstack question on: January 06, 2007, 08:48:52 PM
yep... there is a strong possibility that he will call....

but not with total crap - because he wont want to double you up...

and actually even if he calls with AK - I'm not losing sleep - I need a double up and pdq...

The problem is the multi way trick.

As soon as the blinds hit. many will join in to take you down...
5  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: SnG Shortstack question on: January 06, 2007, 08:40:32 PM
He He... fun and games...

No.. IMO  its a push...

Theres little difference between 9 3 s and the bulk of hands...

The difference you make is how you play it....

Example..

there's 600 in blinds to win your at 950 in early:

you push..

next guy has say 2500.. he looks at you and thinks hmm I have Kx here BUT if I call there are two dangers..

1] a pp or Ax down the line and cl
2] and the small probabilty that that UTG has a hand..

Actually I'm ok at the moment - not too far behind... If I call with a drawing hand and get busted I'm compromised. I'll fold...

this goes on down the line... a couple of folds maybe be then at the end the guy on BB thinks

hmm.. a push from early must be strong ..I'll fold

Now here's the thing...  first of all it doesn't always work like this. There is a tendancy for people to respect early pushes IF it can damage them.

IF some guy has a strong drawing hand you're not that far behind.

1] by going all-in first you stand an OK chance of taking the blinds
2] If you get called  you have an OK chance of cracking a strong hand and then more reaching 2500.. your then in the game.. and damaged  someone badly... (and incidently scared the living daylights out of the table Wink )



If you don't go all-in you are waiting to die.. The blinds will eat you and often on situations like this strong players will multiway the pot on you and check down -  they want you out!!!

Waiting for a better hand...? no....play people, not cards.. work to get them to fold...

Admittedly this is yoyr second to last bullet.... but i'd rather use it on my opponents than reserving the two shots for myself...







6  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: SnG Shortstack question on: January 06, 2007, 07:29:45 PM
push.. fold equity from position... most ppl who can call are worried about

a} the damage you can cause them
b} the damage someone down the line can cause them..

If you take the blinds - your in far better shape for the next push

If CL has a hand.. you're goosed....  but even if he has Ak your not badly goosed (2:3).. The odds are against a substantial pp being out there..



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