Think Firaldo's tweet re the other player was tongue in cheek

Yeah he's my room mate lol

Almost certain it will overlay

You might lose that equity buying rounds though if you come through Alex

Only history we have is that he 5b,7b or 4b,6b 44 deep in a soft tournament.

confirmed did this

carry on

my mate won the jungleman "good deeds challenge" ended up on feature table with Vannessa Selbst, Sammy Farha, Marc Karam, Antoine Saout, Kevin Schaefal (sp) and a few others. fhl

apart from vanessa, sounds like a dream lol

Its a really weird hand. I instinctively wanted to call but really struggled to find hands we beat lol. Problem is I struggled to find hands he has that beat us except Axss and he cant really have AQ-AKss due to preflop, T98s are all discounted too further cutting the combos.

I also think strong made hands otf would c/r this flop seeing as its 2 youngish guys in a 6 max btn v bb and the potential for me tooling out (as always) is very high. I tend to think he would c/r alot of the hands Dan mentioned too (JT, QT, QJ etc etc).

Basically the flop c/c made me think he has a marginal showdown hand a lot more often than a nutted hand then he c/r the turn when he realises he cant call down and turns it into a bluff?

Also we want to fold a lot of hands on this river to the overbet so I feel like a very good player playing against a perceived random kid is probably not doing this for value a lot as Im just going to be folding so often. Like if he had a flush id expect him to take more time and bet like 1475 or something?


Oh and always down for beers Dan. No vegas number as im a huge lazy fish but got my UK one with me. Just FB me or something and we'll get some jars in.

Ok so this hand has generated a lot of good discussion between my friends and I so I thought I'd post it here and see what you guys think.

Hand takes place at 25/50. My table is really tough for this tourney with Yevgeniy 2 to my right, good american kid on my left (who i later found out to be Thayer), some 5/10 online 6max cash reg who was playing well and the villain in this hand; young european dude who I vaguely recognised and have the feeling that the reason i do is because he's reallll good. Certainly carries himself well and looks the typical european superstar.

Villain is only recently moved to the table but these are initial impressions.

I start hand with ~4375, villain covers. This is last hand before break.

I open button to 125 with Ad8s, villain defends BB.

Flop

Villain checks, I bet 150, villain calls in rhythm.

Turn (POT 575)

Villain checks, I bet 325, villain thinks for a bit then raises to 875. I call after ~30 secs

River (POT 2325)

Villain picks up his whole stack and dumps it in the middle after around 5 secs. I have 3225 behind and dont want to fold....

he only has 40bb so im generally just 4b jamming cos once u make a 4b that size is pretty obv ur not folding cos ull be getting like 3 to 1 so he should only be shoving for value and A8 obv doesnt do well against a 5b value range

4bet/folding here turns ur hand into a bluff which kinda sucks w QQ.

Also the 4bet allows him to play his range perfectly. He's not 5bet shoving JJ- imo, esp if u say he's tight. He may 5bet shove AK but i think his range has to be weighted towards AA/KK.

Anyone like a call from the BB? Its crap being oop but id rather play oop here against his 3bet range than call off against his 5bet shove range. I think 4 bet/fold has to be the worst line?

Anyone nit it up and fold pre as all the options are kinda meh?

This spot sucks sir.

If u can pronounce the city he's from, fold.

If not, call


(serious answer is flat, busted draws make up a good part of his range here)

Ok posting results now. Thx everyone for ur input. On the river i banked then called and he flipped 89ss for a missed straight draw. The turn check was probably the most controversial aspect of this hand (I posted it on my training site forum and 4 pros said bet and 3 said check behind lol).

Anyways thx for the thoughts all.

Firaldo

I check the turn for a few reasons (not sure i like it now though tbh). Most of these come from the fact I have him tagged as "has a clue"

1. pot control if the third heart has made him a flush (I have the so I dont need to protect against a 4th heart)

2. As i had him read as decentish I dont think he calls the turn here with hands im beating unless maybe AQ. He's not calling turn w like QJ or JJ for example, whereas he may c/c river with it as my hand looks like missed cbet/river bluff, giving me more value from my hand.

3. It allows him to bluff missed draws on the river in addition to c/c weakish made hands (by firing turn i miss value from both theses hands.

4. Downside - it gives him a free card at any straight draws he has (when the A hit i was most worried about KJ rather than any Ax type hand (the fact I had KK actually led me to call as obv its less likely he has KJ as opposed to J9/89

Against opponents I have down as "bad" I will fire the turn like 99% of the time.

Im not sure if this is a correct thought process but its the one i had at the time lol.

Villain was decentish, and have seen him c/c one pair type hands on the river oop.

The result is left out but im more interested in the theory behind it as i tend to get value-towned alot in these situations. I thought he was drawing as any weak made hand checks river and because of his turn check/river lead i thought either KJ,J9,89 plus possible flushes but i think these are less likely.

Arguments for calling or folding please :-)

PokerStars Game #26546844714: Tournament #151712517, $15.00+$1.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/03/30 22:48:11 WET [2009/03/30 17:48:11 ET]
Table '151712517 25' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ~*RubiBlue*~ (2785 in chips)
Seat 2: TEXAS fight (1345 in chips)
Seat 3: quinton30 (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: Wet'nWin (3445 in chips)
Seat 5: luckyodogiam (990 in chips)
Seat 6: NAMDAC (4240 in chips)
Seat 7: nivek74 (1095 in chips)
Seat 8: sandler1860 (565 in chips)
Seat 9: Firaldo87 (2380 in chips)
NAMDAC: posts small blind 25
nivek74: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Firaldo87 [ ]
sandler1860: folds
Firaldo87: raises 100 to 150
~RubiBlue~: folds
TEXAS fight: folds
quinton30: folds
Wet'nWin: folds
luckyodogiam: folds
NAMDAC: calls 125
nivek74: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
NAMDAC: checks
Firaldo87: bets 220
NAMDAC: calls 220
*** TURN *** [ ] []
NAMDAC: checks
Firaldo87: checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
NAMDAC: bets 500
Firaldo87:

Hi everyone.

Just joined here and just thought id start by saying hello etc

Found the forum after googling my sn (vanity ftw) and trolled it for a couple of weeks but decided to take the plunge.

All the best

Firaldo87