as i said in original post, i dont believe online poker is rigged, i just suggested that there is an outside possibility of a software glitch.

I think the whole of the UK trusted X Factor phone in competition until is was unearthed people were being ripped off. Then, over 12 huge TV shows admitted to ripping people off fron Dancing on Ice to Richard & Judy, even Blue Peter and many others.

I dont like my thinking going this way but big business dont always get it right.

This time last year, I posted elsewhere that there was an outside chance that programmers could fix it so they could see opponents hole cards and i got similar 'tooth fairy' reponses like the one above. Absolute Poker ring any bells

Ok, so this is a continuation of my previous post concerning the 45 coin flips with only 2 wins. This is not a 'poker is rigged' post nor is it a post giving out any suspicions. It is simply the facts over the past weeks

The story so far. On the 'villian poker site'i had 45 all in coin flip situations and only won 2 of them. The odds of this are in the high millions but i guess thats variance - hmm

 So i switched to Cake Poker and played 44 tornys and recorded all of my coin flips. in each case, the criteria is that i have to be all in preflop. The results were as follows:

38 coin flips and i won 19 - this is an expected percentage. i then switched back to the other site and the results continued as follows - 16 coin flips and i won 2. I then played on Blue Square and was in 19 coin flips and won 12 - expected percentage again.

I once again, switched to 'villian' site and have so far lost 6 coin flips in a row (including being al in with 77 against AJ and AJ!)

It seems absolutley clear that my bad run of variance is restricted to only one pokersite. How is this possible? I am confident playing on Blonde, Cake and DTD, but put me on the other poker site and if im in a coin flip situation, it is near on impossible to win

Very odd how its only on one poker site! - not playing on there anymore and hoping to keep the whole 'poker is rigged' conspircys and theorys away from me - i dont wanna belive in them conspirocys but this is very odd - hmmmmm

thanks Tank - i can never stop learning this wonderful game! noone ever can - the game evolves constantly and players have to adapt and learn all the time. When i first started playing years ago, i was advised to 'always raise on the button' whereas nowadays, that can be lethal! Try button raising me when im in the big blind lol

I do play on blonde, in fact i won a $15 feeder to the equal chance event this week but the main satallite was cancelled dur to lack of runners. 'Colchest Kev' was really pushing to get players in and then failed to enter himself!!! Its a shame this event is not properly advertised at Equal Chance club which i frequent. They should put out a bunch of flyers to promote this monthly satellite.

As for the blonde website - along with Blue Square website, there are 3 features missing that prevent me from playing on Blonde full time. 1) not being able to choose seating position, 2) screen not popping up whens its my turn 3) no time bank

Ps: what do the following mean

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cheers

erm thanks Tank - still not sure where youre coming from, i dont have a big ego and thats why i have not mentioned the following recent wins this year : 4th Stars sunday warm up for 32k, 4 sunday full tilt brawl for 22k, 2 1st place finishes in Cake nightly $109 plus a recent live win at the vic festival for 9k

I pay the SnGs on a daily basis but am also a succesful at mtt. I didnt feel it nessesary to say this before as i dont have an ego or brag bone, im actually very modest. I just didnt understand you 'ego' reply which made a judgement without the full story

great forum though!

hi again guys, just to reiterate a couple of things as the previous posts have got the wrong idea a bit

1) i dont think online poker is rigged in any way - i just needed to vent my frustration

2) I am a succesful winning player online and have grinded out a bankroll from $100 to %2500 in 2 months playing SnG's despite the recent variance and so dont really understand the previous poster saying i should brush up on my game.

3) The 'must read' part of the post - well lol, the forums i usually post on hardly get any replies and thats y i started posting on blonde with the over dramatic title - ill keep more realistic next time

cheers

i have been breaking the legs of stray giraffes. This might have something to do with it

In answer to TK:

im not saying the site is rigged and i guess deep down, i know its just a bad run of luck - a very bad run at that. I may have hinted that i think something is amiss but i guess thats just emotion speaking. I guess when someone runs this bad, they want to blame someone but theres noone to blame.

Im playing back on Cake now and my coin flip rate is at 45% where it should be and i guess if i continue to play the volume of hands that i play, i will experience something similar on Cake - variance, plain and simple

On another note, ive not posted here b4 and am very impressed at the responce and the the amount of replys in a short time, great forum!!

Im not saying i think the site is rigged but i think there is an outside chance of there being a glitch in their software. As for these sites not being rigged, we only have to look at large companys that have defrauded the public for millions.

Who knows, i think the 'online rigged' debate will never go away. iI have played on all the other sites and only experienced this on the one site

This has been written to explain my experience with extreme variance. i hope people can draw from this some resolve for when they run worse than a hoofless beach donkey on an ice rink.

I make a living playing multi table sit n go's and believe completely in the maths. I do not believe in the whole 'poker is rigged' theory nor do i belive in the 'cash out curse' or any other tin pot theory. Nor am i nieve - i know big companys do and will defraud their clients (enron for example) but i still think that online poker, for the whole is based on ethical RnG systems that work

The following is only my experience and is up to others to decide if it is down to bad luck, variance or rigging. i already know what I think

So it begins last September after playing at one of the nets largest and most respected poker sites.

I played about 10 tornys and in each case, was knocked out when i was in a coin flip situation. To lose 10 crucial coin flips in a row (all of them allin pre flop) is nasty but happens all the time. Over the following week, i noticed that i couldnt win a single all in coin flip and so, i grabbed pen and paper by my desk and started to record all future coin flips. The criteria was that it had to be an all-in preflop situation and the cards had to be a pair versus overcards. These were the results throughout the following week.

ak v 77    lost
aq v 88   lost
88 v aj     lost
10 J v 22  lost
ak v 33     lost
qk v 55     lost
44 vs aq     lost
33 vs 9 10  lost
aj v 99       lost
a10 v 88     lost
33 vs ak     lost
66 vs j9     lost
ak v qq      lost
44 v 78      lost
ak v 99      Won
a9 v 55     lost
1010 v ak  lost
kq v 88   lost
66 v q9   lost
99 v aj   lost
ak v 44  lost
66 v a9  lost
99 v A10  lost
KQ v 22    lost
KQ v 44    lost
99 v KJ    lost
1010 v AJ  lost
AQ  v 1010  lost
88 v A9     lost

I emailed the poker site asking for some type of reassurance and they explained RnG and variance etc. I carried on and things went from bad to worse. Now my AA and KK couldnt hold up either

AA v 77  lost
ak v 55  lost
kk v99   lost
aa v qq  lost
99 v aj  lost

At my wits end, i decided that if it happened again, i would simply go to another site. I played the $100 freezout, grinded my way to the bubble, got it all in with 88 v Aj and obviously lost, had a few chips left so shoved 2 hands later with AK, go called by 44 and knew i was gonna lose and did.

Ive only posted a few samples about, the total tally was 57 coin flips with 2 wins

I still have faith in online poker but its hard, really hard to continue when this happens

Anyone else experienced this?