Delteted Discussion, right "open" forum

[Bongo]

Bobby is a member of this forum, like me or you. Bobby has no connection with the running of this site (i.e. Blondepoker). Bobby is a poker manager at William Hill.

I think that's right?

[-bw-]

Dear oh Dear

Talk about mountains out of Molehills

Jeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz

[Robert HM]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Bored..... let's not encourage him to much he might also get bored and go away

Syrflopy 

[Bongo]

I doubt it, he'll keep banging on until his conspiracy is proven...

[ifm]

ok mate, obviously you are unable/unwilling to understand what is basically a simple concept.
Once upon a time a couple of fellas decided they wanted to right wrongs in the world, rescue damsels in distress and kill maneating tigers and wrestle aligators, well good intentions aside they decided the best way to do this was to open a poker site and attached to the said site is a forum where ANYBODY on the planet could contribute with their advice and opinions, caould vent their frustrations and generally talk rubbish with other similar simpleminded folks.
Now, here's the tricky bit:-

there is no connection to william hill here, somebody that works for them posts on here
Any clearer?

[Robert HM]

Ho hum

Well if anything interesting happens here, please tell me as I will not be bothering with this thread for now.

[Bongo]

Ho hum

Well if anything interesting happens here, please tell me as I will not be bothering with this thread for now.

We'll send round some black helicopters mate.

[BlueWolf]

it  was explianed earlier in the topic that william hills customer line was for the UK and there wasn't one for US customers at present. now you know how us brits feel when having to ring america for customer service on american sites, maybe if you had been less rude someone may have gone to the trouble of actually helping you out a bit, not much chance of that now tho is there?


Can't we close this?

[thediceman]

So an entire thread was deleted because of one post that nobody saw other than the person who deleted it. I firstly question why that meant an entire thread had to be removed and not just the post in question. The person in question could then have been warned of his actions and PM'ed as to why their post was removed. Instead we have cenorship of a valid discussion point. This is then defended by Adam who claims we should not question the action and that freedom of speech is not a right.

So Ironside made the decision to delete the whole thread rather than just the post and issue a warning to the poster re: their future conduct. That is his decision. Should Ironside of then made the statement to Syrflop re: George Bush and poker in America. Whilst I'm sure this was merely a flippant joke and I'm sure many of you will defend him as that is the case it can be argued that such a comment did nothing more than to antagonise Syrflop, an individual who was already had a grievance. Is this acceptable?. It's a grey area when you start playing Big Brother yet post replies that MAY antagonise others.

I defend the site needs to be kept clean from becoming a forum of personal abuse but we should be allowed to freely discuss varies issues whether they are popular or not and without the fear of censorship. Otherwise your likely to see new members not bothering to post as the site becomes nothing more than a chat room for the old boys network.

[snoopy1239]

I hope this thread continues. Brushing it under the carpet would be a mistake. With the continuing increase in members, a similar situation is bound to crop up again.

Keep smiling all. 

[bobby1]

When this forum was in its infancy I became instantly attracted to it because it was exactly what poker fans and players like myself needed. A good honest flame free forum. Forums do not stay that way for long and Tikay contacted me on one occasion to answer a post that needed information regarding William Hill, I was polite enough to check with Tikay that it was ok to let it be known to forum members that I worked for William Hill to reassure the recipient of the PM that I was indeed in a position to help him. I have in fact always told forum members that I work for William Hill since that day. The reason for this is I do not want people to think that my only reason for posting here is business related(spamming) and I try to act in a spam free manner. I am sure I will be pulled up if I ever go down that route.

I have also answered queires about Cryptologic that I am not really in a position to comment on but as I had the answer to questions I passed on what I knew about this subject.

The original post from this poster was fair to a point, the freeroll problem we have had was discussed on this forum but of course that does not reach everyone and the players are quite within their rights to expect a listed freeroll to start. The problem has actually been eradicated by the work done on that evening.

What I do feel is unfair is the derogatory comments by the poster to other members of this forum, William Hill are guests on this forum, we do not have any control, we added this to the poker425 site because it has qualities that other forum lack, I have in fact seen many names and players from other poker message boards and other poker sites arriving here and contributing without the baggage that accompanies other foum.

Now, I apologise to the poster for letting him down regarding the freeroll but the  other points are factually incorrect, I have pointed this out to him , firstly by PM as I did not want to correct 90% of his thread in public, this was printed on the forum so I again pointed out the incorrect messages he had repeated.

 I did realise that posting in my official capacity could open me up to abuse and I know that the next time William Hill have any problems I may be in the firing line but I chose to answer threads to help, if these threads are done in the correct manner and not for mischevious reasons I will be happy to help.

[Ironside]

anyone can be make comments about any site or casino good or bad as long as they are factual, nobody is aloowed to flame anyone on this forum and posts have been deleted that have been open flames before (1 was done as a joke about a good mate of the flamers but deleted due to the offensive language and tone)

now syrflop started a thread here that was left he got help from a person senior at billy hills and advice from blondites, he chose to ignore that and got abusive so after thinking about it choose to remove the whole thread,

i sent him a private message explaining that he was being abusive and not too any future abuse aimed at anyone will result in the thread/post being deleted and his account blocked

as i have told him before 0800 numbers are free in uk (where william hills target market) they also have an online live help, he seems to think that this is william hills forum and that we blondites are all billy hill stoogies the fact i dont have an account will billy hill doesnt seem to matter

bobby1 reads this forum as he likes to be treated as a blondite and doesnt have to help out with complaints about his site just as the reps from bluesq betfair or stars dont but out of the kindness of the hearts try to help blondites

let me confirm that this forum isnt and has never been william hills forum it is blondite forum and for july its sponsored by poker 425 (tv show that is on the william hills channel) as far as i understand there is no direct link from the william hills software to this forum although there is an indirect link via poker425, there is no link to this forum from the william hills website i know i went thru all that gambling garbage yesterday to check and if syrflop wants to get abusive to william hills i suggest he uses the live chat or the freephone number and abuse them that way and let william hills deal with the abuse there own way, also as far as i am aware bobby1 is a he not a she.

finally the reason sryflop doesnt see a phone number for the usa on william hills site is because legally william hills doesnt market players in the usa, infact i was amazed they allow players from the usa on there software i know ladbrookes doesnt, the remark about george bush is not a joke its true how can customer support be offered in a satisfactory way when the activity they are taking part in is illegal in there country, you dont see me going up to the local citzens advice asking for help with the bad joint i got in amsterdam and wanting my money back (not that i have ever partaken in drugs in holland or anywhere else in the world).

my advice would be to lobby the usa government to legalise poker and then you might get a better service in the usa and not having to contact customer services through a UK TOLL FREE number

[elblondie]

Hi guys, I know I'm preaching to the converted here but to put it simply.
- It's not what you say it's the way you say it. -
If somebody repeatedly makes posts that upset other members then they will be removed. We are all grown up and can cope with opposing and different points of view, but I'm not prepared to be associated with any nastieness. This isn't about freedom of speach its about being civil human beings.

[dan]

ironside, in all fairness to syrflop when you pull up will hills software there is a link thats pops up so you can get directed to this forum

syrflop although you can get here via will hill, will hill do not own or have control over this site. bobby1 was kind enough to answer your complaint although he didnt have too. i hope you get your greivence sorted out but ranting on here wont get it done.