Is this collusion?

[Jamier-Host]

This is similar to Suzanne's post but I would appreciate any comments.....

Tournament hand where everyone folds to the small blind who has the big blind covered.

SB moves all in.

BB deliberates and SB announces "pair".

BB says "J7 suited".

SB says "you have overs".

BB asks "2 over cards?"

No response from SB and BB finally folds.

After both have mucked SB says he had 33.


Both players have been chatting a bit prior to the hand and have established that they have a mutual poker playing friend.

Is this soft playing/collusion?

Would it matter if this had taken place live or online?

[RED-DOG]

It was softplay, and yes, it does happen live.

Last week I was playing a satellite for the Grovesnor GP when a short stack moved all in, the bb (a very competent and well-respected player) passed AQ face up and said, "I wont call, I don't want to knock him out"

I complained that it wasn't fair to do that, and he said "OK" and warned his mate that he would call next time.

Old school players have done this for so long, they just don't see the harm in it.

[bolt pp]

I complained that it wasn't fair to do that, and he said "OK" and warned his mate that he would call next time.

what he meant is next i'm i'll muck the AQ

[RED-DOG]

I complained that it wasn't fair to do that, and he said "OK" and warned his mate that he would call next time.

what he meant is next i'm i'll muck the AQ

Exactly. the point I was making was that he saw no reason to hide it until I complained

[thetank]

That's the sort of behaviour that I would love to see time penaltys being imposed for.

Ignorance of the rules is no defence.

[londonpokergirl]

That's the sort of behaviour that I would love to see time penaltys being imposed for.

Ignorance of the rules is no defence.

Thats the sort of thing that if I see it happen i'll give out time penalties for

[TightEnd]

It collusion, no matter whether live or online

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