AK'd to death

[ariston]

3 comps this weekend went out to AK all 3times. Three different situations would like oppinions on the 3plays- not looking for ego to be massaged just wondering if this is a flaw in my game.

Hand one 15k deep into tourney(last 4 tables). I raise middle position with AQs and get called by scandi on button and the bb. Flop Axx and bb checks I go allin scandi calls with his AK. Fair enough I think I didn't have him on that by calling preflop, well played to the scandi I would say.

Hand 2 CPC qualifier again deep- I have 20k on the bb with AJds and an aggresive player puts in standard raise from the cut off, I treble the raise for information purposes (I would lay down to a reraise/allin) and he calls. Flop 89T with 2 diamonds and I move allin (pot preflop is 10k and I move in for 15k) he calls with AKos and it comes brick brick. He called all his chips off with ace high (no it wasn't ironside) and imo got lucky.

Hand3 35k middle stages of tourney bigstack v bigstack- I raise cutoff with AQh and button reraises me (very aggresive player could be a resteal- in my notes it says he will resteal). I call and flop comes 678 2hrts and I move allin. Again I get called for 90% of his stack with AK and again I miss.

THis is honestly the first time I have had people chasing me down with AK after the flop, sure they are drawing to a pair but I would play the hands the exact same way with a lot of different hands and I would say 9 out of 10 of the hands they are a long way behind. I know certain people will not understand how I am getting involved with these type of hands but I always like to get my chips in first and make the others worry about calling. I fold AK in hands 2 and 3 from above without any real thought and probably reraise with the AK in the first hand, what do you guys think. Please these arent bad beats as I was behind in every hand so I am not looking for unlucky or anything- should I maybe considering playing AK differently myself in future? I am from the ironside school of AK where I am allin preflop with it more often than not.

[dan]

ok here is my opinion ( for what it is worth )

1st hand i think you are unlucky i would think i was in front, unless he hit trips, i wouldnt put him on AK because like you said there was not a reraise, i went out of 2 tournys yesterday along simalar lines, again no bad beats i was always behind from start to finish. 1st hand ive got QKh in late pos i raise 1 caller flop 55K i think ive got to be in front because he wouldnt call with a 5 in his hand or if he had AK i would be reraised. so when he bets i raise and he reraises all in i call (i know you are going to tell me i was wrong) he had hit quad 5's. 2nd hand i was on the button folded round to me i had 88 so i raise bb flat calls flop 245 he bets i move all in he calls with KK, if he had reraised i probably would of been a bit more careful.

anyway back to your hands, 2nd and 3rd hands imo are just very bad calls. hand 2 you could have a made straight and he would be drawing to runner runner and also as you have reraised him you could have an over pair to the board.

hand 3 is a little more tricky as you have raised and called a reraise i would not think you have hit any of that flop apart from a flush draw which you did and if he thought his AK was good preflop he probably still thinks it is good, even so i think it is a very risky call as it could damage his stack severly. i would be worried enough about an over pair or even trips not to call.

dont know if this has helped or not, i dont think that this is a major fault in your game, you tried to take down both pots on a dangerous board and were called by people who cant let go of AK. you could probably make the same moves today and win both pots.

[ifm]

I think these are 2 pretty bad calls at first look.
The only thing i will say is that if there are raises preflop and a low raggy board and a player goes allin on it i immediately think "he's missed and is stealing" or an overpair. Then it's down to instinct, decide which it is and act accordingly.
They may have just thought you were stealing, i am of the thought (and i know you've said it in the past) that a smaller bet here is a stronger bet, an allin can scream weakness.
My tuppence
Ian

[RED-DOG]

I think we should wait for tikay, he's the expert

[TightEnd]

it's echo-y in here....

[ifm]

say again?

[ariston]

Tikay would call all 3 hands down after misreading his cards to be aces and it would be the correct call for the wrong reason. I like to get my chips into the pot first and I would never consider calling an allin bet with AK after I have missed the flop- maybe I should?

[matt674]

Out of curiosity were hands 2 and 3 from on-line tournaments? Its very very rare that i've seen someone call down a hand in a live tournament with just AK high card ace and yet online it happens every thirty seconds, if i had a dollar paid into my account everytime i'd hit a straight or set and had someone call me down with AK high card ace i'd probably be able to retire.

I think when Doyle Brunson told everyone in his supersystems book that AK was as good as AA and KK our friends on the other side of the pond took it literally......

[I KNOW IT]

Hand1 like you say opponent played AK well

Hand2 Dont think you did wrong with straight and flush draw and overs

Hand 3 Think you may of over played hand here, why move all in on just a flush draw vs other big stack, was it possible to bet smaller amount.
need more info on blind sizes, chip stacks and size of pot on this one.
end of day you know yourself you were also unlucky to find player to call you down, but dont like to put all the chips in on just a draw when im in good position though, to a player who can bust me.