Pair of Aces

[Graham C]

is it fair to say that you should be betting big time prior to the flop on a pair of aces?

I seem to lose out making lame calls prior to the flop then getting caught out by 2 pairs (not that I always get pocket aces of course) I'm just annoyed at my newbieness sometimes

[jezza777]

well it depends , the important thing to know is that the more people in the pot the less chance you have of winning . So it is usually a good idea to raise or reraise with them preflop to hopefully get it heads up or just 2 callers. If you are 1st or early to act though you can limp with them and hope for a raise so you can reraise. if you do limp in though and see a multiway pot you have to be prepared to lay them down against a co-ordinated board or if there is a lot of action.
just my thoughts for what they are worth
good luck

[Graham C]

cheers

its just frustrating sometimes   

[TightEnd]

you've got to raise most of the time to thin the number of players down, in a tournament situation. AA is 88% favourite vs 1 random hand, but that %age falls away proportionately with the number of extra callers you get

you can get fancy and limp, hoping a raise comes behind you and then re-raise, but there's not much deception about what you've got. Whereas with a standard raise people might put you on a wider range of hands or an outright steal if you are in late position

if you limp and see a multi way pot, you must define your hand quickly by betting and BE PREPARED TO FOLD in the face of heavy action. This is crucial!

good luck!

[Graham C]

thanks, I'll get there

[snoopy1239]

My theory is that it is nearly always correct to raise because if someone has a hand that will raise after you've limped in, then you'll probably get action from them anyhow.

[jezza777]

See you point snoopy but one of the benefits of limping is from early is that if u get a raise from say seat 6 and a call from the cutoff and bb then you can really push the boat out hopefully still get one caller and the pot is swollen from the other 2 calls. Worse case senario all 3 call but you are still a favourite to win the hand v 3 players. just my opinion

[The Baron]

If you are playing pot limit, sometimes the early position limp works best as Mr End explains. In NL just raise straight off if you are unsure.

[snoopy1239]

I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

[RobS]

See you point snoopy but one of the benefits of limping is from early is that if u get a raise from say seat 6 and a call from the cutoff and bb then you can really push the boat out hopefully still get one caller and the pot is swollen from the other 2 calls. Worse case senario all 3 call but you are still a favourite to win the hand v 3 players. just my opinion

This scenario is so unusual though. In fact I can't remember the last time I saw, after an utg limper, a raiser and then two callers. Lovely if it happens, but so rare it shouldn't really be taken into consideration.

[The Baron]

I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

Still undecided mate, it's tough to drop Yoda I admit.

[ifm]

go allin, there's always some numpty on the net that will call

[snoopy1239]

I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

Still undecided mate, it's tough to drop Yoda I admit.

Reasons to go back to Yoda:

(i) He's a better likeness. 
(ii) As a former student of recent years, the whaky backy is more appropriate
(iii) I'm the only one here who is on a par with the Fonze with reagrds to coolness.

Shizzle mi nipples. Yo, hammer time. etc

[The Baron]

I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

Still undecided mate, it's tough to drop Yoda I admit.

Reasons to go back to Yoda:

(i) He's a better likeness.
(ii) As a former student of recent years, the whaky backy is more appropriate
(iii) I'm the only one here who is on a par with the Fonze with reagrds to coolness.

Shizzle mi nipples. Yo, hammer time. etc

Good points well made. I do have the ears..... and a lightsaber.

However, Yoda is 900, his smoking days are all but done.

The Fonz, the king of cool, would be a better poker player IMO.

The Fonz could theoretically go blonde. Yoda has no hair.

[Scottish Dave]

I think you should go back to the Yoda avatar, The_Baron.

Still undecided mate, it's tough to drop Yoda I admit.

Reasons to go back to Yoda:

(i) He's a better likeness.
(ii) As a former student of recent years, the whaky backy is more appropriate
(iii) I'm the only one here who is on a par with the Fonze with reagrds to coolness.

Shizzle mi nipples. Yo, hammer time. etc

Good points well made. I do have the ears..... and a lightsaber.

However, Yoda is 900, his smoking days are all but done.

The Fonz, the king of cool, would be a better poker player IMO.

The Fonz could theoretically go blonde. Yoda has no hair.

all very very good points or discusion, Fonz is the man, i can just see him cracking aces and just pulling that comb out, with a wee smirk on his face!