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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2005, 03:31:11 AM »

Jeeze I sound like knish from rounders.
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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2005, 03:32:39 AM »

It depends. If you play for a social thing then by all means pass.

However people who are talking about "bankroll" should be calling. If £100 odd quid makes that much difference to your bankroll you need to find a smaller game.
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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2005, 03:38:17 AM »

The £100 makes no difference to the bankroll, but I think in real terms, the extra £100 is petol in the car and some shopping from tesco.  Again this is only my opinion and it will probably change when I am working full time again.

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« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2005, 03:38:31 AM »

Well done on the result, the Post, & a great thread. Trust YOU to have us all guessing back to front!
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« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2005, 03:57:33 AM »

Wardonkey and The Baron mentioned that if bankroll considerations are coming into play the you shouldn't be playing in this game. In a cash game this is certainly the case.

However, this is a final table in a tournament, someone for whom £140 would make a big difference to their bankroll may not have necessarily been playing outside their means. Some, who have reached final tables in massive tournaments, have knowingly sacrificed EV due to bankroll considerations. On a smaller scale the principle is the same.

If they had a bigger roll, they would be able to play properly and make the call, however, just because they don't have the backing to play this situation optimally and extract maximum EV does not mean that the tournament should not have been entered by them. It may still have contained some +EV even though they sacrifice some by playing the later stages too tight weak.

Experience gained from playing this tournament also adds to their future EV for playing subsequent tournaments.
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« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2005, 05:14:30 AM »

The £100 makes no difference to the bankroll, but I think in real terms, the extra £100 is petol in the car and some shopping from tesco.  Again this is only my opinion and it will probably change when I am working full time again.



Seperating your bankroll from your 'real life' money helps you to make the optimal desicions at the table. If you raise 3*BB instead of raising three pork chops and a bag of potatoes it's easier to play a good game.
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« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2005, 05:20:25 AM »

ROFLMAO, I mean when it comes to cashing, or in the last few hands thats when I think in realistic terms. not for the whole night.  when the money is in play then I play my best possible game. All i am saying is with it being the last hand I would have folded and those were my reasons. No more no less. I would have played it safe. I know its the wrong play but its the last hand, and I would rather not risk the larger portion of my stack. Again its just my opinion.
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« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2005, 05:30:04 AM »

This isn't really about about bankrolls, it's a £10 rebuy comp. Most of the people playing in this type of comp don't worry about poker bankrolls. The money they are using comes from the money they would otherwise spend on dinner out or clothes they don't need. Similarly when they win, the money does not go back into a poker bankroll, but gets spent on having a damn good time.

The maths say call, the serious poker player says call. If however you are a recreational player who can't bear to lose the extra £140 Christmas money that you will get for definate if you pass then by all means pass.
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« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2005, 08:03:10 AM »

I am going to sound a bit too work orientated now, I dont know the value of the comp (I have assumed its £10) If you were guaranteed £110 if you got knocked out then that must be 6th place?) I am also assuming that it is 1000pts for £10. Making the total prize around £2200. If paying 10 prizes I assume that 6th is approx 5% Taking 11% off prize money already paid out leaving £1958 and taking 6 x £110 out leaves £1298 makes 1000pts worth £0.0059 x 35,000 gives a prize of £206.50 on top of the £110 making it £316.50, as I have approximately a sixth of the chips on the table and I would be receiving more than 3rd place I must fold. Obviously the prize structure must be slightly different or maybe I got it completely wrong. I was just bored and decided to work it out on my prize structure. Just killing time before I took the kids to school Cheesy
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« Reply #69 on: December 05, 2005, 12:25:09 PM »

Turned into a great debate this huh?
Fascinating stuff, i have already said i would probably have folded in this situation though i was maybe (just maybe) at-it a little bit in the final and as such i was prepared to risk 9th, 8th, 7th or 6th in order to get a better finish.
I think that as it was the last hand it influences the decision, from the opinions here though that really shouldn't come in to it i suppose.
This also shows the advantage of table image, it never occured to him that i had a monster hand.
A downside of the same image is that the fella to my left folded AQ when it was my BB only to see AQ flop and another fella bet into it. (he woulda knocked the fella out and more money to each of us!).
Cheers to Danny, i must get out more (it was my first visit to Walsall for a while) because it was great fun.
Dik, the prize pool was around £1900ish and about £1700ish left at the time, a valiant effort though!!
Tikay, you never gave your opinion??
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« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2005, 12:31:21 PM »

No ifm, I never gave my answer, because I was off-line for 36 hours, & by the time I read the thread, the answer had been given. It was too easy THEN.......

It's hard to give an opinion when I know the answer, but to be honest, I'd have called you I think, not believing you had a hand. And been WRONG!

Lovely thread, a new slant on an old chestnut. Well done.
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