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jjandellis
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« on: May 13, 2007, 07:49:15 AM »

I am thinking of a career change!

I'm particularly interested in Project Management and am therefore considering undertaking the PRINCE2 foundation/praticioner course.

I've had a look at the tinternet and found some useful stuff, but as with most professions/quals, the sites don't give too much of  a personal perspective on life as a PM.

Are there any PM's on this forum that could give any further insight?

If so, could you please consider answering the following questions:

1. Is it possible to enter PM with just PRINCE2 qualification, or do u need additional quals?

2. Are u able to work on projects of which u have no experience (in the field)? Or, as I suspect, do you usually work within your specialist field?

3. Is it best to work freelance/consultancy? If you do, then is there high demand for your services?

4. Is there much call for PM's for people with my background? (I have 2 army based backgrounds - a. Logistics and b. Intelligence/Security)

5. What are considered to be the best areas to work within the industry?

6. Lastly, is the money as good as all the hype?

If you have any further ideas/nuggets of information then they are all greatly appreciated.

Many thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 11:41:56 AM »

By co-incidence, Im doing this very course on 28th may for 3 days. I dont think you could base a career change around it. I think its more about giving you foundation skills in project management to help support projects you are involved in.

1. Is it possible to enter PM with just PRINCE2 qualification, or do u need additional quals? You can enter it without any other qualifications. remeber its a 3 day course, not a degree
2. Are u able to work on projects of which u have no experience (in the field)? Or, as I suspect, do you usually work within your specialist field?- you can project manage anything with the right skills. the course is about giving you a framework to pull a project together. doesnt matter if you dont know the area of work. helps if you do i suppose.

3. Is it best to work freelance/consultancy? If you do, then is there high demand for your services? - theres always a demand for managment consulatants. personally i think they are a complete waste of money but they s eem to pull in the business. I had a psychometric test done tihs week at work that cost £500 for what took me 15 mins. i dont think this course will turn you into a management consultant. you maybe need to think about an MBA?

4. Is there much call for PM's for people with my background? (I have 2 army based backgrounds - a. Logistics and b. Intelligence/Security). dont know the demand but you could always do a bit of research? contact the army to find out if they have any need for project managers. i would take it that they probably dont have a requirement? you could try security type organisations? just ring around a few and ask their HR departments about the need

5. What are considered to be the best areas to work within the industry? probably management consultancy. theres  lots of money in it

6. Lastly, is the money as good as all the hype? yes if you get the right job. maybe you should look at a few MC firms and ask about vacancies there? im thinking you probably would need an MBA to get in though so going it alone might be best. there should be some training and development organisations in your area attatched to the job centre. they could help you do a business case and weigh up your options.

when are you doing the course?

good luck

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 11:06:35 PM »

Mr Claw (ex army, now a PM) says:


1. Is it possible to enter PM with just PRINCE2 qualification, or do u need additional quals?

You don't need any formal qualifications at all to go into PM, it's an unchartered profession (for now).  There is no prerequisite to be a Prince2 practitioner.  Having said that, it's the same as any other profession - you wouldn't apply for a job as an IT consultant without having experience and qualifications in that field.

2. Are u able to work on projects of which u have no experience (in the field)? Or, as I suspect, do you usually work within your specialist field?

Generally you would work in an area that you have specific knowledge of.  I have 20 years experience of telecomms and radio engineering, but have no idea about the construction industry so couldn't even contemplate managing a construction project.

3. Is it best to work freelance/consultancy? If you do, then is there high demand for your services?

Like any other field, PM contracting is a high risk but high gain area.  There are some well established PM consultancy firms in the various industries so you'd be competing against some heavy weight opposition.  Turner & Townsend are a good example.  You're probably better initially looking for a job in a company as a PM or PM support and establishing a background.  Companies who might contract PM consultants will expect a degree of expertise and a solid CV.

4. Is there much call for PM's for people with my background? (I have 2 army based backgrounds - a. Logistics and b. Intelligence/Security)
You could potentially put together a good PM type CV using your logistics background depending on what you did in the Army (seniority, level of responsibility, budgetary control etc.)  I have noticed that ex-forces people broadly fall into 2 camps, very good or very bad!  Out of interest, were you in the Int Corps?  I was in the Signals but worked very closely with the Int Corps and since I left my trade is no longer in the Signals but the Int Corps.

 
5. What are considered to be the best areas to work within the industry?

Construction is a solid bet but you'd need the background to break into the industry.  Web and IT development seems to come up a lot, Telecomms is reasonably stable but tends to go through peaks and troughs.  Register with Jobsite and set up a search for Project Managers and you'll get a good feel for what areas are recruiting.  You'll also see what experience and qualifications employers are looking for.

6. Lastly, is the money as good as all the hype?

Nope, unless your a senior project or programme manager and you don't get to be one of them over night - hype is generally just that - hype!  Salaries are on a par with other professional occupations.

If you have any further ideas/nuggets of information then they are all greatly appreciated.

Prince2 won't teach you how to manage projects, it is just a methodology or a process to follow.  It assumes that you already have a solid understanding of project management tools and techniques.  I would definately recommend that you do the APMP (www.apm.org.uk) qualification - the cost of courses is about the same as Prince2.  It is a more difficult exam but you'll get a much better understanding of project management in general.  Unfortunately, industry seems to use Prince as the standard although I've noticed that lately employers are asking for Prince or APMP which is good.

 

If you're tempted to take a Prince foundation course first of all, and then take the Practioner exam later I would advise that you don't.  When I did a 5 day Practitioner course there were a couple of people on there who were only taking the Foundation exam.  For the 1st 3 days we went through Prince in its entirety and then took the foundation multi-choice exam which examines all aspects of Prince.  On day 4 we didn't learn anything at all but concentrated on the type of questions which would come up in the Practitioner exam.  So, the people who only sat the Foundation exam already knew everything to pass the Practitioner but they now have to go back on a second 'refresher' course before taking the Practitioner exam.


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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 12:25:07 AM »

I agree with all of what Mr/Mrs Claw said.... If you want to go into constrution you should consider the HNC in Building Studies as your starter. This will get you into a project management role within the construction industry...

But if you want to make serious money in the construction industry you would have to go into RICS or Msc in Construction Project Management..
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 10:49:39 AM »

We seem to have loads of project managers where i work and as far as i can see you need the ability to carry a A4 pad and talk loudly on a mobile at the same time as making an absolute **** of every project you get involved in.

Just an observation hope it helps  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2007, 09:36:11 AM »

Okay, a bit of feedback on the course. Ive done it now and it was the worst 3 days I've had to endure in a long time. Maybe it was because the tutor was more interested in telling us about his days in the airforce?

As I said in my initial response, I would still say you really dont have to know the field you are working in to be a good project manager. The course teaches you how to project manage, not how to be an expert in another field. I suppose the course is quite good in that respect.

As I said, the guy teaching it had a background in the airforce who backed him to become a teacher of pRINCE2. So maybe it is an area for you to consider after all?

good luck with it:)
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2007, 10:51:22 AM »

I've been in Project management/ consultancy for a while and PRINCE 2 is one of those qualifications that a pet project of every company now and effectively is a complete waste of time and  a stupid thing to ask for but that's just the way it goes. If it were uto me I'd much rather hire someone with common sense and a bit of experience than someone with a Prince2 qualification...unfortunatly most companies don't try to hire people with common sense when looking for consultants or project managers.
Like the man said..get your prince2 but get the whole lot in one go, you'll have a decent shot at landing something then...but for the love of God..don't become one of them project managers/consultants who only thinks about what he's been thought and disregards common sense.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2007, 01:20:57 PM »

Boldie

have you done the course? And if so, did it involve the abuse of a highlighter pen?.......lol
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2007, 01:21:55 PM »

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have you done the course? And if so, did it involve the abuse of a highlighter pen?.......lol

no I haven't..thank God. A friend of mine has and has shown me the stuff he got...a complete waste of tyime and he's still a shit project manager ( a good guy..just crap at his job)
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2007, 08:20:56 PM »

Just seen this replies. Yet more insight! Many thanks as it is all valuable. As stated by Boldie, it does seem to be the 'pet project' at the moment...
trust me..in three years time noone will bother with Prince2 anymore..they'll have thought of something else..same goes for that Six Sigma black belt bollox.

What I would suggest is try to find a good Project Manager and get him to hire you as an assistant/Project Coordinator (whatever they call it)..that's the way to go..admittedly easier said than done and I was lucky but it really is the way to go.
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 09:03:44 PM »

Prince 2 is so yesterday. Agile is the way forward.
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