AK AI Max number of Big Blinds?

[AlexMartin]

Field dependant, i think 30BB is fine in a longhanded comp.

How do ppl think about AK in 6-max cash? Up to maybe 60BB im happy getting it in w AK.

48x BB in 6 max cash is clearly the most you should be doing it with unless in sb then 50 would be OK

erm, whoooosh?

[Longy]

Man i have a real (slightly irrational) hatred for hard and fast rules in poker when deeper than 12-13bb's, as the game is so player and situation dependent.

Having said that im happy to felt ak for under 20bb's against anyone in a non bubble situation. The rest depends on too many variables.

[AlexMartin]

Man i have a real (slightly irrational) hatred for hard and fast rules in poker when deeper than 12-13bb's, as the game is so player and situation dependent.

Having said that im happy to felt ak for under 20bb's against anyone in a non bubble situation. The rest depends on too many variables.

Meh, standard tag 20/15/2.5 type repops ur LP (co or button) raise from the blinds in 6-max. Ur image is tag.  You have AK. How many BB's do you need to pass? Personally if its >60 i jam. Enough info longster?

[Longy]

Against a standard 20/15 he is repopping me with quite a wide range here normally. If we a 60bb's deep i would just insta shove and be happy that this is easily +ev.

If it is more than 60bb's 4 bet shoving over the top starts to become a massive overbet and therefore the options become more open. In fact in this spot i would often do up to a full stack(100bb's), by 4betting and insta calling the all in. I wouldn't be 4 bet shoving though and my 4 bet would be relative small, so i could do this with air and not get pot committed.

Any deeper than 100bb's I'm not happy getting it in preflop unless i have a specific read, but that doesn't mean i won't 4 bet.

All history and player dependent, sometime i will flat the raise if I think that I could use position to a great advantage.

Still Alex as you well know there are so many variables, which is the beauty of deep stacked poker as it is hard to get good at it. Therefore if you do get reasonably good at it, there is tonnes of money to be made.

I would ignore alot of this if you play full ring as ranges are alot wider in 6 max.

[AlexMartin]

Against a standard 20/15 he is repopping me with quite a wide range here normally. If we a 60bb's deep i would just insta shove and be happy that this is easily +ev.

If it is more than 60bb's 4 bet shoving over the top starts to become a massive overbet and therefore the options become more open. In fact in this spot i would often do up to a full stack(100bb's), by 4betting and insta calling the all in. I wouldn't be 4 bet shoving though and my 4 bet would be relative small, so i could do this with air and not get pot committed.

Any deeper than 100bb's I'm not happy getting it in preflop unless i have a specific read, but that doesn't mean i won't 4 bet.

All history and player dependent, sometime i will flat the raise if I think that I could use position to a great advantage.

Still Alex as you well know there are so many variables, which is the beauty of deep stacked poker as it is hard to get good at it. Therefore if you do get reasonably good at it, there is tonnes of money to be made.

I would ignore alot of this if you play full ring as ranges are alot wider in 6 max.

In this standardised situation do you think optimal play is attatched to stack sizes in a kinda ugly way? As in your play options are opened up as your stack flexibility increases as opposed to actual value and appropriate ranges?

For example.....
i.e >50BB Shove
    >50-70BB fold/shove?
    >70+ 4bet/call/fold

[Longy]

Against a standard 20/15 he is repopping me with quite a wide range here normally. If we a 60bb's deep i would just insta shove and be happy that this is easily +ev.

If it is more than 60bb's 4 bet shoving over the top starts to become a massive overbet and therefore the options become more open. In fact in this spot i would often do up to a full stack(100bb's), by 4betting and insta calling the all in. I wouldn't be 4 bet shoving though and my 4 bet would be relative small, so i could do this with air and not get pot committed.

Any deeper than 100bb's I'm not happy getting it in preflop unless i have a specific read, but that doesn't mean i won't 4 bet.

All history and player dependent, sometime i will flat the raise if I think that I could use position to a great advantage.

Still Alex as you well know there are so many variables, which is the beauty of deep stacked poker as it is hard to get good at it. Therefore if you do get reasonably good at it, there is tonnes of money to be made.

I would ignore alot of this if you play full ring as ranges are alot wider in 6 max.

In this standardised situation do you think optimal play is attatched to stack sizes in a kinda ugly way? As in your play options are opened up as your stack flexibility increases as opposed to actual value and appropriate ranges?

For example.....
i.e >50BB Shove
    >50-70BB fold/shove?
    >70+ 4bet/call/fold

Yes I think I do in a way because of the maths. In a 3 bet pot with less than 50bb we are now effectively playing so shallow post flop that the decision is best made preflop especially with ak as it likes seeing 5 cards not 3.

Whereas if we are bit deeper there is still alot of play postflop and 4 betting still can leave us with decisions if we get shoved on.

Of course we have standardised the situation and we all have played 15/5/1 nits who felting ak for even 50bb in a 3 bet pot is pretty poor.

Did you see how I made sure I put in the last sentence, so you didn't make me contradict myself.

[LuckyLloyd]

I'll get 50 in without too much thought. I'm sure there are situations where not getting 100 in would be a mistake.

[deputydawg]

Field dependant, i think 30BB is fine in a longhanded comp.

How do ppl think about AK in 6-max cash? Up to maybe 60BB im happy getting it in w AK.

48x BB in 6 max cash is clearly the most you should be doing it with unless in sb then 50 would be OK

erm, whoooosh?

AKs of course would be a wholly different proposition and worth up to 59 BBs but I just can't see the justification for 60 (however I have been wrong in the past)

[AlexMartin]

Actually i think 59BB with the As, but 58 BB for all other AK combos.

[deputydawg]

Actually i think 59BB with the As, but 58 BB for all other AK combos.

can't fault the thinking

[AlexMartin]

Actually i think 59BB with the As, but 58 BB for all other AK combos.

can't fault the thinking

Baffled. Truly. gg, bb.