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« on: February 01, 2008, 04:24:01 PM »

Classic K,K versus A,A

It is an online, 6 seat table, blinds are $0.50/$1 and the table is aggressive with plenty of re-raising going on. The player I end up tangling with has nearly twice my stack. I don’t know much about him other than he has been very active in the last few hands.

From the SB I limp in by mistake with K,K (don't ask), the BB raises $5 (on an aggressive 6 seat table), he is called by UTG and I re-raise to $20. BB insta-pushes all-in, the other player folds and I insta-call.

He has A,A

As it turns out, me limping with KK by mistake wouldn’t have changed anything (...or would it?),  but -

 - was I too hasty here?

Online it is difficult to get a read - but can I narrow down his holdings here to QQ, KK or AA, given the betting patterns? 

Obviously my Kings will only win 20% of the time against the AA, so if I can genuinely put him on only three hands (KK will probably split and I will beat QQ 80% of the time), does this make this a negative EV call or a break even one (or can I factor in a semi-bluff with A,Ks perhaps, or a loose re-raise from a poor player holding 10,10 or J,J and turn it into an imaginative positive EV call(!)) ?

I accept my call was a little hasty but do I need to feel bad about it (which is easy after the event)?

Your thoughts please folks.




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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2008, 04:26:26 PM »

To clarify, if I had waited the full 15 seconds, I would have almost certainly called anyway. Just want to know if anyone could fold in this situation?
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2008, 04:40:55 PM »

no my chips are in the middle here.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2008, 07:46:10 PM »

I need a super massive read that villain is a complete total super nit in a 6 max game to pass kk for 100bb's. This doesn't appear to be the case, so i get it in very quickly and then curse as he flips over aa.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 04:53:51 AM »

Pretty sure I won't fold KK preflop for 100 Cash BBs in my entire life, least of all in a 6 handed 50/1 game where I already made a 20 BB raise. Insta-calling is the only option, don't let results affect your thinking.

Online it is difficult to get a read - but can I narrow down his holdings here to QQ, KK or AA, given the betting patterns? 

Obviously my Kings will only win 20% of the time against the AA, so if I can genuinely put him on only three hands (KK will probably split and I will beat QQ 80% of the time), does this make this a negative EV call or a break even one (or can I factor in a semi-bluff with A,Ks perhaps, or a loose re-raise from a poor player holding 10,10 or J,J and turn it into an imaginative positive EV call(!)) ?

I accept my call was a little hasty but do I need to feel bad about it (which is easy after the event)?

Your thoughts please folks.

Even if you knew his range was exactly QQ-AA this is still a +EV call because of the money already in the pot.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2008, 07:50:36 PM »

I'm sure some of the fullring players would snapfold here as a default.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 03:10:43 AM »

Instacall. You've disguised your hand, he can put on you on a variety of hands. If he's got it, he's got it, but he normally won't.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 07:11:00 AM »

how many BB have you got. That is the key to this Q. Its ok to fold KK to uber nits sometimes.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 11:22:29 AM »

I've called in the past with KK against AA all in preflop and I'm sure I'll do it again.

I may have to start playing on Absolute......
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 12:00:39 PM »

Thanks guys for your comments.

In response to Alex's question, I had around 80 big blinds.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2008, 08:50:16 AM »

Thanks guys for your comments.

In response to Alex's question, I had around 80 big blinds.

easiest call in the world for 80 BB's..unless you've sat at his table all day and have watched him fold every hand uptill now.
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