A, K (Suited) on a 2 Suit and Top Pair Board

[Sunday8pm]

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[Jamier-Host]

i prefer shove flop to shove pre given action.

Why?

Are you not happy to shut out the blinds and just take on the all in guys?  You don't really want both blinds coming along for the ride as well do you?

[AlexMartin]

i prefer shove flop to shove pre given action.

Why?

Are you not happy to shut out the blinds and just take on the all in guys?  You don't really want both blinds coming along for the ride as well do you?

ur up against 2ai's before you which is the critical factor. AK's value is in spanking dominated hands. Shoving to isolate would be proper if you had a made hand that does better against fewer players (like 99 here i prefer shove>call) OR if you were v 1 allin guy (where you could realistically expect to have him dominated a fair chunk). Here, as you are going to need to hit to win this most of the time, i prefer flatting.

The 30k shove was pretty huge so should rule out all marginal holdings from the blinds but maybe let in some dominated hands. You dont really mind the blinds coming along with marginal holdings as long as you play correctly postflop. It should be really hard to make a mistake in those situations tbh, especially ones on the flop as shown here. Think we can stick this one in the random box coz wtf is he doing calling with 53.

oh, forgot, IN MY OPINION, obviously shoving is fine too.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: AlexMartin

ur up against 2ai's before you which is the critical factor. AK's value is in spanking dominated hands. Shoving to isolate would be proper if you had a made hand that does better against fewer players (like 99 here i prefer shove>call) OR if you were v 1 allin guy (where you could realistically expect to have him dominated a fair chunk). Here, as you are going to need to hit to win this most of the time, i prefer flatting.

The 30k shove was pretty huge so should rule out all marginal holdings from the blinds but maybe let in some dominated hands. You dont really mind the blinds coming along with marginal holdings as long as you play correctly postflop. It should be really hard to make a mistake in those situations tbh, especially ones on the flop as shown here. Think we can stick this one in the random box coz wtf is he doing calling with 53.

oh, forgot, IN MY OPINION, obviously shoving is fine too.

Sounds like good reasoning, but when you consider flatting is for half your stack, and the pot is over 100k, and you leave yourself less than a half pot bet in your locker, I don't see post-flop guile as majorly relevant. This pot will take you to the CL as it stands so why get too clever/greedy. I am not putting half my stack in only to fold when I don't hit the flop. I would prefer to fold pre than flat and fold on the flop. A-K is for pushing here and that's the bottom line.

[MANTIS01]

Another reason for pushing pre-flop is to get better hands to fold. This is a pretty fundamental aim of poker. If the sb is sitting with a decent pair like J-J he is much more likely to push all-in rather than call all-in. I'm not saying that is paticularly good play, but it does happen. If it gets to him after all-in, raise all-in, re-raise all-in his Jacks don't look so good and he mucks. If the raise is flatted before it gets to him he may fall in love with his hand enough to push. Then if we find the ep all-ins have unpaired A's or Kings you find yourself flipping for your tournament with reduced outs. There is no reason to invite this situation on yourself considering the size of the pot.