Last man back rule .........

[sweet potata!]

As we are all aware in footballing terms , if your the last man back and you commit a foul the punishment is a straight red card. This rule tilts me very much 

This is my opinion of how this rule should be used , the cliche they use is "he was denied a goalscoring opportunity". Now if a team is playing a high offside line and the ball gets dinked over the top, and the opposing team happens to have a pace merchant who gets to the ball and is clean through and then is brought down OUTSIDE the area .This IMO is a cast iron red card, its cynical , you only get a free kick which is scant consolation so a Red Card is the only option .......

However if the same incident happened with the only difference being that the foul eventually happened inside the pen box , then this should NOT end up as a Red Card , i reckon that the penalty surely is punishment enough , i mean cmon it ruins a game as a spectacle for starters down to 10 men and more than likely the pen is  going to be scored aswel .So if it happens in the box yea your denied a goalscoring opportunity but you are then presented with a  penalty which is a very very good opportunity so in essence that seems very fair to me , give the defender a yellow and lets have 11 v 11

A particular incident that springs to mind happened about 4 or 5 years ago i think , Liverpool v Manu at OT .....About 5 Min's on the clock Ruud van hemorrhoid gets in the box, he was not bearing down on goal he was not about to slot the ball home , but him and Sami Hyypia had what i would call a coming together , it was more clumsy than anything it really was a nothing incident , but of course the ref (mike riley the twat i think) points to the spot and issues a red .So 5 Min's in liverpool are 1-0 down and have only 10 men because its the letter of the law and all that bollox , Man U go on to thump us 4-0 and seriously the pub i was in was split with each set of fans and the Utd fans were like were 4-0 up on liverpool but yet it just dosent feel right they were not enjoying it near as much as they would've if it was a straight up 11 v 11 match . The game in effect was ruined after 5 Min's . I'm sure most footie fans enjoy a good match and this red card rule does not help matters in that regard

So in summary if i could i would get rid of that rule i would , anyone agree or  disagree or dont give a shit , feel free to comment. Oh and apologies too i'm finding its not that easy to express what i want to say in writing !

[TheChipPrince]

I agree, but if they cant get the offside rule right, they aint gonna change this!

[Josedinho]

However if the same incident happened with the only difference being that the foul eventually happened inside the pen box , then this should NOT end up as a Red Card , i reckon that the penalty surely is punishment enough , i mean cmon it ruins a game as a spectacle for starters down to 10 men and more than likely the pen is  going to be scored aswel .So if it happens in the box yea your denied a goalscoring opportunity but you are then presented with a  penalty which is a very very good opportunity so in essence that seems very fair to me , give the defender a yellow and lets have 11 v 11

I've got to say I disagree. For the enjoyment of the game i'd like 11 V 11 but i still disagree.
If he is in the box and without the foul he would only have the same opportunity as a penalty then the defender should let him take his shot.
The defender risks making a tackle and he knows what could happen to him if he doesn't get it right, if they stop fouling and leave the striker to shoot if they can't get back in time then we could see more goals which is good entertainment and won't ruin the game.

[steeveg]

yes i agree, i understand the logic of the rule but its a game ,if you break the rules a foul or penalty is given,i dont like the sending off when a defender is on the goal line and handles the ball to save a goal and gets sent off, its a pen that's the rule no problem why do they need to send players off all the time, as long as the foul is not deliberately ment to harm a player they should just give a pen or foul that's enough punishment.there should be a new type of punishment if a player is clear and the last man fouls him imo.

[TheChipPrince]

I'd add, and i could be wrong but i think the stats of scoring a PEN in last season's leagues was 61%...

So, I dont think a 1-on-1 with a keeper is ever more than 60/40, so a PEN is enough punishment, along with a yellow card...

[sweet potata!]

However if the same incident happened with the only difference being that the foul eventually happened inside the pen box , then this should NOT end up as a Red Card , i reckon that the penalty surely is punishment enough , i mean cmon it ruins a game as a spectacle for starters down to 10 men and more than likely the pen is  going to be scored aswel .So if it happens in the box yea your denied a goalscoring opportunity but you are then presented with a  penalty which is a very very good opportunity so in essence that seems very fair to me , give the defender a yellow and lets have 11 v 11

I've got to say I disagree. For the enjoyment of the game i'd like 11 V 11 but i still disagree.
If he is in the box and without the foul he would only have the same opportunity as a penalty then the defender should let him take his shot.
The defender risks making a tackle and he knows what could happen to him if he doesn't get it right, if they stop fouling and leave the striker to shoot if they can't get back in time then we could see more goals which is good entertainment and won't ruin the game.

So your a defender and your 50/50 to get to a loose ball in the box , the striker gets the merest of touches to it you take him down , nothing cynical or malicious just simply a mistimed tackle or maybe the striker was just too good. Letter of law says sorry m8 your last man back that will be a penalty also hit the showers my good man , oh and also while im at it have a 3 match ban also that comes as standard .....................Seem fair ?

[Josedinho]

However if the same incident happened with the only difference being that the foul eventually happened inside the pen box , then this should NOT end up as a Red Card , i reckon that the penalty surely is punishment enough , i mean cmon it ruins a game as a spectacle for starters down to 10 men and more than likely the pen is  going to be scored aswel .So if it happens in the box yea your denied a goalscoring opportunity but you are then presented with a  penalty which is a very very good opportunity so in essence that seems very fair to me , give the defender a yellow and lets have 11 v 11

I've got to say I disagree. For the enjoyment of the game i'd like 11 V 11 but i still disagree.
If he is in the box and without the foul he would only have the same opportunity as a penalty then the defender should let him take his shot.
The defender risks making a tackle and he knows what could happen to him if he doesn't get it right, if they stop fouling and leave the striker to shoot if they can't get back in time then we could see more goals which is good entertainment and won't ruin the game.

So your a defender and your 50/50 to get to a loose ball in the box , and you think what if the striker gets the merest of touches to it and i take him down , nothing cynical or malicious just simply a mistimed tackle or maybe the striker will be just too good. Letter of law says sorry m8 i'm last man back that will be a penalty also hit the showers my good man , oh and also while im at it have a 3 match ban also that comes as standard .....................i better let him shoot as a 1 on 1 is never more than the 60/40 chance he has with the penno and stuff ruining the game for the rest of the lads by getting sent off nevermind being suspended for 3 games.

FYP

[sweet potata!]

However if the same incident happened with the only difference being that the foul eventually happened inside the pen box , then this should NOT end up as a Red Card , i reckon that the penalty surely is punishment enough , i mean cmon it ruins a game as a spectacle for starters down to 10 men and more than likely the pen is  going to be scored aswel .So if it happens in the box yea your denied a goalscoring opportunity but you are then presented with a  penalty which is a very very good opportunity so in essence that seems very fair to me , give the defender a yellow and lets have 11 v 11

I've got to say I disagree. For the enjoyment of the game i'd like 11 V 11 but i still disagree.
If he is in the box and without the foul he would only have the same opportunity as a penalty then the defender should let him take his shot.
The defender risks making a tackle and he knows what could happen to him if he doesn't get it right, if they stop fouling and leave the striker to shoot if they can't get back in time then we could see more goals which is good entertainment and won't ruin the game.

So your a defender and your 50/50 to get to a loose ball in the box , and you think what if the striker gets the merest of touches to it and i take him down , nothing cynical or malicious just simply a mistimed tackle or maybe the striker will be just too good. Letter of law says sorry m8 i'm last man back that will be a penalty also hit the showers my good man , oh and also while im at it have a 3 match ban also that comes as standard .....................i better let him shoot as a 1 on 1 is never more than the 60/40 chance he has with the penno and stuff ruining the game for the rest of the lads by getting sent off nevermind being suspended for 3 games.

FYP

I always wondered what FYP meant ,i suppose this is as good a time as any to ask the question , sorry i aint up to speed with internet lingo .Maybe that could be a thread of its own "internet slang explained"

[Josedinho]

Fixed Your Post

I changed your post to give my opinion.

[sweet potata!]

Fixed Your Post

I changed your post to give my opinion.

Aha just saw that soon as i posted thx.

Now back to the point I'm trying to make , tackling is part and parcel of football , incidents like the one i posted above that u edited are not worthy of a straight red card i cant recall ever seen a defender in the box stepping aside to let a striker shoot in fear of getting a red card and ban it just does not happen , if the ball is there to be won any defender worth anything is trying his utmost to get that ball and of course human error means they wont always get it , so from what your saying defenders have to walk on egg shells the whole match when the ball is near

Things like dragging a player down deliberately as he's trying to run through, two footed over the top lunges and tackles from behind all merit a red card as they are not in the sporting manner which the game should be played in , but innocuous(sp?) challenges , errors of judgement and the likes do not warrant a straight red IMO