Dishonest or fair game?

[matt674]

I'm a 'Do as you would be done by' sort of person

So what if it were in a live tourney and your opponent was away from the table when it was his big blind and everyone passes to you in the small blind - would you pass and give the big blind his money back or would you call and take it for yourself?

as the bb cards would be mucked at the end of the dealing you would have no option and the dealer will just pass you the chips

maybe online sites should start doing the same thing then it would end all the debate, then no-one would feel guilty and dishonest!!

[RED-DOG]

I'm a 'Do as you would be done by' sort of person

So what if it were in a live tourney and your opponent was away from the table when it was his big blind and everyone passes to you in the small blind - would you pass and give the big blind his money back or would you call and take it for yourself?

as the bb cards would be mucked at the end of the dealing you would have no option and the dealer will just pass you the chips

maybe online sites should start doing the same thing then it would end all the debate, then no-one would feel guilty and dishonest!!

If you feel guilty and dishonest, don't do it. If you don't feel guilty and dishonest thats fine too, as you say, it's within the rules

If it was within the law to bite someones nose off and sell it for £10 would you do it?

Probably not, and the reason you wouldn't is because as humans we feel empathy, we can imagine what it would feel like if it happend to us

Stealing someones blinds doesn't compare with biting someones nose off, but the principle is the same

I'm not judging here, I can see your point of view, I'm just stating mine

Guilt and dishonesty were your words

[RED-DOG]

If my previous post looks like I'm attacking Matt that is certainly not the case, it's a tricky subject and we all have different views

No offence Matt, I respect you and your opinions

 

[mikkyT]

Why is it that I can never find fault with RED-DOGs insightful posts. The world would be a better place if everyone where more like him. Except there would be no women and all the men would look like Magnum

[zelda]

Silo he knew i was sitting out on purpose - git him...  Oh well i live and learn.  Thanks for the replies.  Red-dog im like you (although i dont look like magnum)    I think i would still do the same thing again, he got what he deserved by losing - karma...

[ariston]

This is not the same but me and Tikay had a rather interesting discussion over breakfast in vegas with womble,burnley john and jenn (if memory serves me right). Any of you remember the guy who got a penealty when heads up for a bracelet and his opponent sat stealing blinds? Same thing for me and I said if I was sat at the table on my own I would wait for my opponent to return. I wouldn't want to win by default and I stand by that sentiment for disconnects as well. The argument was quite interesting because a couple were with me and a couple totally against me saying how it could cost me 100s of thousands of dollars and a bracelet but the principle is what matters. I agree totally with reds sentiment of do unto others. You cant beat good karma (as was proved to me on saturday in the aussie qualifier- thanks zelda).

[matt674]

If my previous post looks like I'm attacking Matt that is certainly not the case, it's a tricky subject and we all have different views

No offence Matt, I respect you and your opinions

 

None taken squire - if we all had the same opinion about everything then it would make the topics of debate quite boring!!

I like the system they have on pokerstars once you reach the bubble of the tournament any player who disconnects is given an EXTRA 240 seconds to reconnect - this gives the player approx 5 minutes to get back to the table before their hand is mucked. If they are still disconnected once the next hand is dealt they are given an extra 120 seconds (just under 3 minutes total) to reconnect, the next hand 60 seconds (just under 2 minutes) then on the 4th hand onwards 30 seconds (about 1&1/2 minutes) - this means they have 10 minutes to reconnect and they will only miss 3 hands before being put on the minimum disconnection allowance - i believe this is more than enough time to be given to reconnect.

I feel it is my responsibility to ensure that i am connected to the site at all times - if it looks as though there may be a problem with either my NTL phone line or my AOL broadband then i will not sign up for a tournament. If for some reason i do happen do disconnect then i know i am being given more than enough time to try and establish my connection back with the site when we are getting to the serious end of a tournament (and thankfully touch wood i have never lost too much on the rare occassion that i have lost my connection).

If i were to disconnect during a final table i would not expect my opponents to sit out and wait for me to return - it is not their fault that my connection has gone and whilst it also may not be my fault it is my responsibility and i have to suffer the consequences. it is part and parcel of online poker - i just have to live with that. I believe it to be the same if my opponents lost their connection, it is their responsibility and they have to live with it.

If however i did disconnect from a tournament and it was apparent that my opponent had sat out while i reconnected and then they were to disconnect then i would do likewise until they returned.

[ifm]

I have had this happen a few times to me, most notably in a sat for Monte Carlo when (so i was told afterwards) there was a free for all trying to pinch my blinds.
If it were me, yes i'd nick the blinds, do unto others as they do unto you is my new motto.

[Yogi-Bear]

I dont play too many tourneys and rarely reach any money, but I did hit one once and it was 3 way action I tool as long as possible over my decisions to allow one of the opponents to re connect.

However when he did reconnect he proceeded to wipe the floor with me.

Karma my arse. HEHHEHEHEHE.

I did know my opponent but would like to think that it wouldnt matter who it was i would wait.

Yogi

[Graham C]

Silo he knew i was sitting out on purpose - git him...  Oh well i live and learn.  Thanks for the replies.  Red-dog im like you (although i dont look like magnum)    I think i would still do the same thing again, he got what he deserved by losing - karma...

then that just sucks

[thetank]

I think poker sites should not announce to the table that a player has been disconnected during a tournament. I know Pokerstars clearly state when a player has lost connection, not sure what other sites do. This is one of the few things I would change on Stars software which is very good in most respects.

Saying it on the players graphic announces to the table that blinds are up for grabs. Perhaps a 30 second delay before mucking the disconnected players cards on the first hand only then quickly mucking them thereafter. (A delay on every hand like 10 seconds would lead to tricky players waiting 10 seconds before folding their hands in order to feign disconnection. That would slow up the game)

[divaflava]

Ok, so if you are playing Matt, nick his chips, if it's red-dog or zelda on the other side of the table, wait patiently.
Sorted 

Actually, this has happened one or twice to me. I've usually, er, used the chat box by then and that has influenced my decision. The first time the guy was a miserable sod, so I nicked his blinds, the next time the bloke was chatty and funny and quite grateful when he logged back in to find I'd managed to stay on the side of the angels. He also said he didn't know whether he would do the same for me if the situation was reversed, which I thought was at least admirably honest if he wasn't joking.

[matt674]

Why not - they usually get stolen even when i'm sat at the table "connected"