This is just wrong.

[Wardonkey]

Read the comments on the Saudi Gazzette article, they are probably a more accurate indicator of public opinion there than the article itself.

[thetank]

Woody Allen was a dirty bugger who mucks about with girls 60 years younger than him.
As he's of a Jewish persuasion, maybe he could meet up with this Islamic gent that kinboshi is banging on about.
It's some common ground. Perhaps the two of them can talk shop for a bit, and from there maybe a lasting peace and understanding among their respective people can grow?

Or maybe they're just two old dirty buggers. (One of whom happens to make decent movies)

[Graham C]

Didn't know you liked Saudi movies Tank

[AndrewT]

Woody Allen was a dirty bugger who mucks about with girls 60 years younger than him.
As he's of a Jewish persuasion, maybe he could meet up with this Islamic gent that kinboshi is banging on about.
It's some common ground. Perhaps the two of them can talk shop for a bit, and from there maybe a lasting peace and understanding among their respective people can grow?

Or maybe they're just two old dirty buggers. (One of whom happens to make decent movies)

"They can come and be in my gang"

[The Camel]

this is the article:

"A 23-year-old unmarried woman was awarded one-year prison term and 100 lashes for committing adultery and trying to abort the resultant fetus.
The District Court in Jeddah pronounced the verdict on Saturday after the girl confessed that she had a forced sexual intercourse with a man who had offered her a ride. The man, the girl confessed, took her to a rest house, east of Jeddah, where he and four of friends assaulted her all night long.
The girl claimed that she became pregnant soon after and went to King Fahd Hospital for Armed Forces in an attempt to carry out an abortion. She was eight weeks’ pregnant then, the hospital confirmed.
According to the ruling, the woman will be sent to a jail outside Jeddah to spend her time and will be lashed after delivery of her baby who will take the mother’s last name."

If she is unmarried she can't commit adultery.

Wikipedia definition of adultery:

"Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and another person who is not his or her spouse".

He CAN commit adultery (if he's married) and as the article says he and his friends assaulted her I would guess the punishment has been given to him, not her.

[Jon MW]

this is the article:

"A 23-year-old unmarried woman was awarded one-year prison term and 100 lashes for committing adultery and trying to abort the resultant fetus.
The District Court in Jeddah pronounced the verdict on Saturday after the girl confessed that she had a forced sexual intercourse with a man who had offered her a ride. The man, the girl confessed, took her to a rest house, east of Jeddah, where he and four of friends assaulted her all night long.
The girl claimed that she became pregnant soon after and went to King Fahd Hospital for Armed Forces in an attempt to carry out an abortion. She was eight weeks’ pregnant then, the hospital confirmed.
According to the ruling, the woman will be sent to a jail outside Jeddah to spend her time and will be lashed after delivery of her baby who will take the mother’s last name."

If she is unmarried she can't commit adultery.

Wikipedia definition of adultery:

"Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and another person who is not his or her spouse".

He CAN commit adultery (if he's married) and as the article says he and his friends assaulted her I would guess the punishment has been given to him, not her.

That's the western definition of adultery.

He wasn't her husband - therefore adultery

[kinboshi]

this is the article:

"A 23-year-old unmarried woman was awarded one-year prison term and 100 lashes for committing adultery and trying to abort the resultant fetus.
The District Court in Jeddah pronounced the verdict on Saturday after the girl confessed that she had a forced sexual intercourse with a man who had offered her a ride. The man, the girl confessed, took her to a rest house, east of Jeddah, where he and four of friends assaulted her all night long.
The girl claimed that she became pregnant soon after and went to King Fahd Hospital for Armed Forces in an attempt to carry out an abortion. She was eight weeks’ pregnant then, the hospital confirmed.
According to the ruling, the woman will be sent to a jail outside Jeddah to spend her time and will be lashed after delivery of her baby who will take the mother’s last name."

If she is unmarried she can't commit adultery.

Wikipedia definition of adultery:

"Adultery is the voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and another person who is not his or her spouse".

He CAN commit adultery (if he's married) and as the article says he and his friends assaulted her I would guess the punishment has been given to him, not her.

The wikipedia definition of adultery doesn't count for much in Saudi law I'm guessing.

[kinboshi]

Woody Allen was a dirty bugger who mucks about with girls 60 years younger than him.
As he's of a Jewish persuasion, maybe he could meet up with this Islamic gent that kinboshi is banging on about.
It's some common ground. Perhaps the two of them can talk shop for a bit, and from there maybe a lasting peace and understanding among their respective people can grow?

Or maybe they're just two old dirty buggers. (One of whom happens to make decent movies)

I didn't realise the girls he 'mucked about' with are pre-pubescent.

[kinboshi]

Read the comments on the Saudi Gazzette article, they are probably a more accurate indicator of public opinion there than the article itself.

I don't deny that.  I'm sure a majority of the Saudi people are as outraged and against this judgement and law as I am (we are). 

[thetank]

The wikipedia definition of adultery doesn't count for much in Saudi law I'm guessing.

A very good point. It is a somewhat occidental source is it not.

We can't use that to...

hang on a minute...

zomg, what's a human right?

[kinboshi]

The wikipedia definition of adultery doesn't count for much in Saudi law I'm guessing.

A very good point. It is a somewhat occidental source is it not.

We can't use that to...

hang on a minute...

zomg, what's a human right?

It something afforded to males only according to some states.

[Wardonkey]

Informed discussion is useful. Finding extreme examples of gross injustice and posting links to them with the entire analysis consisting of the line 'This is wrong' is not useful.

The ideas of equality of the sexes and associated rights and freedoms are relatively new.

When you think that New Zealand was the the first country to grant women the vote in 1893 the cultural shift required to spread universal suffrage across the the globe has occurred remarkably quickly. The UK only achieved this in 1928 and France took until 1944.

More recently (this decade) Arab states such as Oman, Kuwait and UAE have all granted women the vote.

Saudi Arabia will follow, and it will be the Saudi people who demand it. It won't happen any quicker if the Saudi monarchy are ostracised and derided by the west, in fact isolation is the bigot's friend.

There are groups within Saudi working to shift attitudes and achieve change, they will succeed eventually. The influence the rest of world has on this process is benign, we achieve more by being open and inclusive than by being judgemental and sensationalist.