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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2010, 07:12:51 PM »

Need more info on stuff like his WTSD, WWSF, 4bet, fold to cbet etc. I don't know what you are trying to achieve preflop, it's not something am really familiar with, but will speculate:  ---

Was your intention that he would always call preflop and c/f a lot postflop?

Were you thinking that you wanted more money in the pot preflop so that you could get more in postflop in the event of hitting hard?

You want to play a pot with him heads up and are concerned about getting squeezed/it going multiway?

Does he peel 2 streets often but c/f river a lot so you want to build a pot to barrel at?

Would be interested to hear your reasoning for pf, I don't think it's standard so perhaps he has some tendencies that you feel this exploits?
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2010, 07:26:40 PM »

Pre is bad vs this player profile because a 70/42 will almost never fold to a 3bet, especially this betsize. Think about it like this - why are you 3betting?

For me the reasons can be

1) Because his opening range is wide, he'll fold his junkier hands and the blinds won't get involved light so we pickup up dead money pre
2) Because we have a strong hand and we don't think he'll fold so we want to build the pot
3) Because he has a tendency to peel light pre and play fairly fit or fold post in 3bet pots so we pick up the pot a lot of the time cbetting/barreling

I can't really think of any other reasons to 3bet and from the reads you give, this situation doesn't satisfy any of those. A guy playing 70/42 over 500 hands really really doesn't like the fold button which eliminates 1 & 3 and we don't have a strong enough hand to justify 2.

3betting here is a line that you'd take to exploit weak/tight players, not spazzy stations. Theres really no reason to get fancy in these spots when you can just own him with a strong preflop range when you know that he's not gunna fold anyway

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2010, 07:34:16 PM »

fold to cbet stat is v.v.v.v important here.
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2010, 08:15:39 PM »

Need more info on stuff like his WTSD, WWSF, 4bet, fold to cbet etc. I don't know what you are trying to achieve preflop, it's not something am really familiar with, but will speculate:  ---

Was your intention that he would always call preflop and c/f a lot postflop?

Were you thinking that you wanted more money in the pot preflop so that you could get more in postflop in the event of hitting hard?

You want to play a pot with him heads up and are concerned about getting squeezed/it going multiway?

Does he peel 2 streets often but c/f river a lot so you want to build a pot to barrel at?

Would be interested to hear your reasoning for pf, I don't think it's standard so perhaps he has some tendencies that you feel this exploits?


yeah pretty much nail on the head with above, i think 200bb deep ip with a hand that has big flop potential against someone who rarely 4bets and cant take heat down the streets then this hand is ideal to have in my range.


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fold to cbet stat is v.v.v.v important here.

i think this stat is less important than when in normal 100bb deep spots, im not looking to just cbet and win a small pot v this guy, more just 3bet him relentlessly to til him and get him to make a big big error 200bb deep.


Pre is bad vs this player profile because a 70/42 will almost never fold to a 3bet, especially this betsize. Think about it like this - why are you 3betting?

For me the reasons can be

1) Because his opening range is wide, he'll fold his junkier hands and the blinds won't get involved light so we pickup up dead money pre
2) Because we have a strong hand and we don't think he'll fold so we want to build the pot
3) Because he has a tendency to peel light pre and play fairly fit or fold post in 3bet pots so we pick up the pot a lot of the time cbetting/barreling

I can't really think of any other reasons to 3bet and from the reads you give, this situation doesn't satisfy any of those. A guy playing 70/42 over 500 hands really really doesn't like the fold button which eliminates 1 & 3 and we don't have a strong enough hand to justify 2.

3betting here is a line that you'd take to exploit weak/tight players, not spazzy stations. Theres really no reason to get fancy in these spots when you can just own him with a strong preflop range when you know that he's not gunna fold anyway



really valid points but i did state he is weaktight in the op, think its a pretty interesting spot tbh.



oh and btw, wp evilpie.
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2010, 07:37:49 PM »

One of my fave hands on PHA. Proves I know abso nothing about playing cash
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2010, 12:27:21 AM »

One of my fave hands on PHA. Proves I know abso nothing about playing poker

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2010, 02:06:33 AM »

oh and btw, wp evilpie.

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 However this is the kind of board where I'd expect to get folds more often than most because it is so unconnected, so I don't think this is a great spot for a hero call. He has 45 some of the time, J2 J3 some of the time, Jx some of the time, even some of his bluffs beat you (77-99, A6). Judging by his preflop stats it's impossible for him to have AK or AQ either which would make up a lot of the stubborn "oh but I had such a pretty hand at the beginning" spazz bluffs.

a6 near enough one time?
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