Hand from UKIPT Notts

[BulldozerD]

We have position Guy

[outragous76]

We have position Guy

oh yeah - ok well he open jams...... we?

[George2Loose]

Fold

[Skgv]

Sunnnnny how has villain got to showdown? How does he play post?

He called a c-bet with the J10hh, as he flopped a flush draw. Missed turn went check check, but river he led. Got called by a pair, which was good.

67cc, he flopped a pair, called c-bet. Rest of action was check check, and he was good agaisnt AK iirc.

I think he plays pretty standard post, but obviously is capable of bluffing.

why did you 3 bet preflop?

no real reason not to call the turn

I 3-bet pre mostly to gain initiative. I also don't want to call down 3 streets on an Ace high board.  Not forgetting, he obviously peels 3-bets with much worse, which is another reason.

If we call turn, are we calling most rivers? Is it better to jam now? 

take it i saved a monkey then ! result

[snoopy1239]

Given the description, I think you can just flat call here and still be good a lot of the time. I guess the tough part is if it comes an off-suit picture card or something on the river and he shoves it in.

[Free_Rollin]

If we call turn, are we calling most rivers? Is it better to jam now?

yes, no

what was your plan if he 4 bet btw?

Since I feel he plays pretty straight forward, I was folding to a 4-bet. I think he is only going to 4-bet the top of his range, and doesn't click back AQ,99,etc. Since he has this very unbalanced 4-bet range, and the fact he peels much worse, I think 3-betting was fine.

[Free_Rollin]

Sunnnnny how has villain got to showdown? How does he play post?

He called a c-bet with the J10hh, as he flopped a flush draw. Missed turn went check check, but river he led. Got called by a pair, which was good.

67cc, he flopped a pair, called c-bet. Rest of action was check check, and he was good agaisnt AK iirc.

I think he plays pretty standard post, but obviously is capable of bluffing.

why did you 3 bet preflop?

no real reason not to call the turn

I 3-bet pre mostly to gain initiative. I also don't want to call down 3 streets on an Ace high board.  Not forgetting, he obviously peels 3-bets with much worse, which is another reason.

If we call turn, are we calling most rivers? Is it better to jam now? 

take it i saved a monkey then ! result

Lol, I deffo wasn't folding.

[Skgv]

Sunnnnny how has villain got to showdown? How does he play post?

He called a c-bet with the J10hh, as he flopped a flush draw. Missed turn went check check, but river he led. Got called by a pair, which was good.

67cc, he flopped a pair, called c-bet. Rest of action was check check, and he was good agaisnt AK iirc.

I think he plays pretty standard post, but obviously is capable of bluffing.

why did you 3 bet preflop?

no real reason not to call the turn

I 3-bet pre mostly to gain initiative. I also don't want to call down 3 streets on an Ace high board.  Not forgetting, he obviously peels 3-bets with much worse, which is another reason.

If we call turn, are we calling most rivers? Is it better to jam now? 

take it i saved a monkey then ! result

Lol, I deffo wasn't folding.

Finally some acknowledgement 

[DMorgan]

Happy to just flat the turn considering that we pretty much just pinged the nuts and we're not getting worse to call a turn jam

[Free_Rollin]

What's our plan on non-spade rivers? Should we be calling all rivers? All rivers except non-spade J/Q/K?

[AlexMartin]

he's got 7k back right? i jam the turn. he's never gonna bluff the river, he can have a bunch of hands that think they have far higher equity against a jam (than they do). Seems like he's inducing or summat, but i dont like call/call as much because of river stacks and his description.

[Free_Rollin]

Interesting. Guess the best option on the turn is not clear then.

During the hand, I opted for a jam. He callled fairly quickly with KQss.

I really do find it interesting that there is a clear split between the call on the turn camp compared with the jam on the turn camp. I find these sort of decisions occur often during a tournament, and I've never really given it much thought on the best line, if the hand was in a vacuum. I think I base these decisions a lot on who villain is, reads, etc, but it would have been good to find some sort of default line.

[outragous76]

he's got 7k back right? i jam the turn. he's never gonna bluff the river, he can have a bunch of hands that think they have far higher equity against a jam (than they do). Seems like he's inducing or summat, but i dont like call/call as much because of river stacks and his description.

Wiiiiii

In agreement with alex Martin, always  good!