1/2 empire spot vs unknown

[cambridgealex]

KQ sooooooooooooooted tho!

[rfgqqabc]

Excellent preflop hand, can flop straights, flushes, quads etc

I believe the flop has two of your suit and someone has donk bet into you. I would elect to wager all of my chips

[SuuPRlim]

a) plays good against opening ranges (when they peel)

Don't you end up dominated by AQ, AK a lot? Nobody is peeling 3 bets with KT.

they peel AQ and what happens on a   flop?

they peel   and what happens on a flop


OH and this also

KQ sooooooooooooooted tho!

almost every hand unless it's Aces will be dominated by another part of the opponents range, this should not deter us from playing them aggressively otherwise we'd have to limp call every hand that isn't AA and occasionally go nutso with KK

[mulhuzz]

Is this a good hand to 3-bet?

its an excellent hand to 3bet, it;

a) plays good against opening ranges (when they peel)
b) plays fine against 4bets if you're deep enough
c) can make royals with it.

KQo is a more excellent hand to 3bet whilst KQs is more suited to a call.

Discuss.

Note: not saying that KQs 3bet isn't abs fine ofc, it is...but we should be happier to 3b or fold (lol) KQo than KQs, right?

[jgcblack]

KQs is going to play so well vs a 'standard' live player in pos in an inflated pot.. and also comes with that lovely benefit of 'if' we make a few spades we can get a big pot going with the hope for a call and get there.. or he just gives us some moneyz.

The KQs vs KQo discussion will be interesting and I agree that KQo needs to be 3bt more often but I'm probably doing it most of the time with both, especially in the empire where the average opponent fitting this discription will not be amazing at the game and until we have reason to play differently, surely this is in our 'default preflop strategy' vs the average opponent.


Also, when they have the A and the Q or K we are going to find it easier to win when they miss and much easier to control when we/ they hit.

PS Errrrr two soooted pictcha's innit..

[muckthenuts]

a) plays good against opening ranges (when they peel)

Don't you end up dominated by AQ, AK a lot? Nobody is peeling 3 bets with KT.

Would play in different games if thats the case!

Plussage 1. Nobody raise/folds live ever. He'll be calling pre and folding flop a ton, our hand blocks so many hands he can 4b which makes KQ great for it. It's gonna be profitable long term no dizzle.

[SuuPRlim]

Is this a good hand to 3-bet?

its an excellent hand to 3bet, it;

a) plays good against opening ranges (when they peel)
b) plays fine against 4bets if you're deep enough
c) can make royals with it.

KQo is a more excellent hand to 3bet whilst KQs is more suited to a call.

Discuss.

Note: not saying that KQs 3bet isn't abs fine ofc, it is...but we should be happier to 3b or fold (lol) KQo than KQs, right?

no, not imo.

KQo is a WORSE hand to flat with than KQs - therefore making it a better hand to 3bet/fold.

this doesn't make it a better hand to 3bet.

[JK]

a) plays good against opening ranges (when they peel)

Don't you end up dominated by AQ, AK a lot? Nobody is peeling 3 bets with KT.

they peel AQ and what happens on a   flop?

they peel   and what happens on a flop


OH and this also

KQ sooooooooooooooted tho!

almost every hand unless it's Aces will be dominated by another part of the opponents range, this should not deter us from playing them aggressively otherwise we'd have to limp call every hand that isn't AA and occasionally go nutso with KK

You call the floor and their hand is dead