whats our range here? with two players with less then 2 bbs turbo obv

[paulhouk03]

***** Hand History for Game 62663814967 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 28, 12:47:03 ET 2011
Table 396965991 23 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 3: DrinDasDing ( $185930.00 USD )
Seat 4: Dewey Rulez ( $126986.00 USD )
Seat 5: AAnonno ( $64894.00 USD )
Seat 6: ALICANTESSA ( $4137.00 USD )
Seat 7: paulhouk03 ( $43284.00 USD )
Seat 9: pinikiAAAA ( $9769.00 USD )
DrinDasDing posts ante of [$700.00 USD].
Dewey Rulez posts ante of [$700.00 USD].
AAnonno posts ante of [$700.00 USD].
ALICANTESSA posts ante of [$700.00 USD].
paulhouk03 posts ante of [$700.00 USD].
pinikiAAAA posts ante of [$700.00 USD].
pinikiAAAA posts small blind [$3500.00 USD].
DrinDasDing posts big blind [$7000.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to paulhouk03 [  X ,X ]
Dewey Rulez folds
AAnonno folds
ALICANTESSA folds
paulhouk03 how wide do u shove?

two players less then 2 bb

6th 255.20
5th 330.60
4th 478.50
3rd 638
2nd 841
1st 1122.30

the bb just won a big pot to make him chip leader

whats our range here?

bb will call with a wide range

[MC]

ICMaments

Something like AT+, 66+, dependant on how wide we expect to get called.

[paulhouk03]

ICMaments

Something like AT+, 66+, dependant on how wide we expect to get called.

kq+ also?

bb will call with a huge range

[WotRTheChances]

J9+, Q9+, K7+, A2+, all PPs.... the 1st player 2bbs deep has folded, so it is just whether to shove into a committed SB and a deep BB. You have an M of like 3? So most of your >Q7 hands i guess, take down the ~15k in the pot and a 1/3 to your stack. Take a 60:40 or 40:60 with the SB for the dead money (4200 in antes and the 7k BB), shoving wide and hope BB dodges a big hand.

What range do you think BB has to have to make a call here vs your shove and the obvious SB call?
Probably 55+,A2s+,K8s+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,76s,A6o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
= ~25% of the time.

In which case the range i've given has ~35% vs BB 39% vs SB 26%
This is 35% equity of a 33507 pot = ~11730 for the main
and we have ~47.5% equity vs the BB for the side pot of 67030 = ~31840
-> if the BB calls, given ranges and equities roughly 36140 -> EV of ~-7144

Assuming the BB folds we have ~60% equity with the given shoving range vs the SBs any 2. Giving us a ~22500 pot, therefore an average EV of ~13500 = ~+3700,

-7144 25% of the time and +3700 75% of the time, this is approx +990 on average, including the -700 you would get for just folding here 65% of the time, its actually a -EV range.

FFS i'm going to do it on a tighter shoving range...

(I haven't bothered going into this much detail on these spots before, so assume i'm calculating this correct? I'm using Pokerstove for the equities btw.)

[WotRTheChances]

Using a shoving range of: 66+,A9s+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KQo

BB calling range:
55+,A2s+,K8s+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,76s,A6o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
= ~11% of the time.

In which case the range i've given has ~44.3% vs BB 32.6% vs SB 23.1%
This is 44.3% equity of a 33507 pot = ~14844 for the main
and we have ~58.7% equity vs the BB for the side pot of 67030 = ~39347 for the side
-> if the BB calls, given ranges and equities roughly 54191 -> EV of ~+10907

Assuming the BB folds we have ~67.7% equity with the given shoving range vs the SBs any 2. Giving us a ~22500 pot, therefore an average EV of ~15233 = ~+6064,

When we shove (11%), we are +10907 75% of the time and +6064 25% of the time, this is approx +9696 on average

We are folding 89% of the time (-700 ante) -> have an EV of +444.

Clearly not the greatest spot to be in by the looks.

[outragous76]

Why are we thinking of jamming anything other than a super nit range if the bb is calling wide?

Icm fold for me without the goods

[paulhouk03]

Why are we thinking of jamming anything other than a super nit range if the bb is calling wide?

Icm fold for me without the goods

What is ur super nit range?

[outragous76]

Why are we thinking of jamming anything other than a super nit range if the bb is calling wide?

Icm fold for me without the goods

What is ur super nit range?

QQ+ (maybe JJ)