Live feeds and hole cards: Ethics and considerations

[boldie]

Going to guess that this is a level but neverthless will bite.  The ability to see a players hole cards changes your opinion on the way a player plays from conjecture, albeit educated, to fact.  The knowledge in this situation that Gareth had bluffed on an all heart board is much different from THINKING he might be capable of the same move.  You having that difference in certainty is an advantage which it is unfair to have.

Yeah but in 30 mins time that info is borderline useless to the game anyway so people should settle down about it really

lol @now saying pretty much the opposite of what you started saying in this thread

I agree that the process is terrible and DTD need to seriously consider whether they want to persist with this strategy. I might be an old-fashioned type of player but the way I see things is that you spend most of your time creating an image in a tournament and significantly less of the time trading off that image. The time you spend trading off your carefully crafted image is the most profitable thou. If another player has a mind to question that image they must put chips into the pot to see the proof of the pudding at showdown. If in fact players can be told for sure that you are actually opening light during the game then poker becomes a mockery. All your work goes down the drain. It also takes away a lot of the skill and perception of the game because you are getting free information that you shouldn't be entitled to. You should decide for yourself during a game what range to ascribe another player. That info should not just be handed to you for free.

[Cf]

I think boldie just got leveled

[david3103]

I think boldie just got leveled

sure of it

[boldie]

I think boldie just got leveled

sure of it

sigh, happens all the time

[nirvana]

This is whoosh tastic

wp M

[ripple11]

So on the one hand you're saying it's unfair that Stelios has no access to the net and can't get the same info as other players and on the other you're saying cos you and Gareth are mates he should be able to give you info on his hand but no one else at the table?

Yeah I think I should deffo be able to see Gareth's hand when nobody else can. You see I don't need to see hole cards to know if a player is tight, is liable to fold his blinds, is only trying to ladder or is the most aggressive player on the table. Also as you would expect the dynamics of the table changed as it became short handed and the quality of play meant a blind may be defended with A5s then the same hand would be folded in the cut off, in other words the players adapted and played big pairs and took opportunities to raise differently depending on stack size, position etc, how they played a hand 30 minutes or 1 hour before was irrelevant and anyone who thought that knowing that a player bluffed during a certain hand was going to help them make a decision later would have been disappointed. You can pick up a lot more from watching to see how a player bets, whether he cuts the chips down or stacks them up, how he sits in his chair after making the bet, whether his pulse is visible, does he start talking, is his leg bobbing up and down or stopped when it normally is, does he stare at the flop when he has missed, glanced down at his chips prior to betting, ask a question before raising etc etc. So yeah I don't get the fuss about me seeing and not them, I mean Gareth's my friend so I should be allowed access to that info alone. Other people should get their own friends and be better prepared imo

 

[zerofive]

Suppose this requires bumping.