what a balls up!

[SuuPRlim]

Be fun to hear what everyone thinks about this hand lol

***** Hand History for Game 3126021116 ***** (IPoker)
$200.00 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, January 21, 03:21:33 ET 2012
Table Haskovo 661587081 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: aroundhere55 ( $44.00 USD )
Seat 3: AgnesAdriano ( $182.40 USD )
Seat 5: stumpy3x ( $657.95 USD )
Seat 8: HERO ( $291.35 USD )
Seat 10: nirvana2012 ( $87.05 USD )
nirvana2012 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
AgnesAdriano posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [  ]
stumpy3x raises [$7.00 USD]
HERO raises [$24.00 USD]
nirvana2012 folds
AgnesAdriano folds
stumpy3x raises [$68.00 USD]
HERO calls [$51.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
stumpy3x bets [$58.00 USD]
HERO calls [$58.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
stumpy3x bets [$38.00 USD]
HERO

I don't know much about this guy but bizarrely have 4500 hands on my database on him (most likely when my friend was using my PC/HEM whilst I was in america) which suggests he is prolly a reg and his 3bet stats are 7% and 11% vs steal..........

[mulhuzz]

i typed out a realllly long reply then i realised that his bet sizing is weiiiiiiiiird on turn (flop is also quite small, but not too weird I guess) and now i have no idea.

sure did contribute to discussion.

[SuuPRlim]

haha no worries. It is slightly odd.....

just so you know where we're at r.e bet sizing

on the flop he bets $58 into $153 with $218 in eff. stacks

on the turn he bets $38 into $269 with $158 eff stacks

[mulhuzz]

my original answer was that he has Aces a ton, btw.

[strak33]

Love all the PLO hands recently. Dont even know how to discuss hands as i just click buttons and hope mainly.

That said i have to agree with mulhuzz this is aces loads of the time i think. I know at lower stakes people pot this flop and just hope you didnt call pre with a rundown hand with a 9. Would a reg bet this weird size on turn with AAxx?

[pleno1]

btw i like his sizing.

[GreekStein]

btw i like his sizing.

+1

I raise flop Dave. Think we can stack aces a bunch with an image like me and you have.

Me and Karl were discussing this concept the other day. In 3b pots, people seem to get really stubborn with aces when they get raised on paired flops (maybe rightly so sometimes) yet people still do it loads as a bluff when calling flop and raising or betting turn looks far less bluffy. In this spot, I think I just raise flop and hope to stack aces.

I hate the turn. I think we'll call a lot and fold when he blasts river.

[SuuPRlim]

btw i like his sizing.

yh his turn bet is really fun. also his flop bet is nicely sized also imo.

Yh Cos jamming flop is defo a good play, and 100% best vacuum play, speshly as if i have blues i'm very likely going to shove as well. The reason i called this time is I wanna have a 9 in my flop calling range as I might wanna take a float line OTF in 3bet pots with this stack depth with (mostly)blues and look to jam the turn where i prolly have a bit more fold equity, thats no a credible line unles i have trips in my flop range. I think we need to be jamming and flatting the flop here, jamming a higher frequency for sure

[TommyD]

btw i like his sizing.

yh his turn bet is really fun. also his flop bet is nicely sized also imo.

Yh Cos jamming flop is defo a good play, and 100% best vacuum play, speshly as if i have blues i'm very likely going to shove as well. The reason i called this time is I wanna have a 9 in my flop calling range as I might wanna take a float line OTF in 3bet pots with this stack depth with (mostly)blues and look to jam the turn where i prolly have a bit more fold equity, thats no a credible line unles i have trips in my flop range. I think we need to be jamming and flatting the flop here, jamming a higher frequency for sure

Agree we need to call sometimes with the 9, but I'm just not going to do it in a 4bet pot.  We can flat in these spots with our to balance our ranges in raised and 3bet pots and still give ourselves plenty of wiggle room through the streets.  In a 4bet pot when you catch with this semi marginal hand just jam IMO.

[Patonius2000]

Yeah raise calling the flop a very high %, your reason for flatting is fine of course. Fold now, or minraise.

[Patonius2000]

Actually I think TommyD is right, you aren't deep and vs a tight 4b range you probably shouldn't flat 992dd. I mean your argument is that you have 9xxx in you flop flatting range to increase FE when the turn bricks off and you jam a flush draw. But you don't, no one is ever c/f AAxx when the turn bricks off.

[GreekStein]

no one is ever c/f AAxx when the turn bricks off.

Doesn't that give us a fairly strong reason to flat as well than when we raise the flop and they fold?

(Playing devil's advocate here as I prefer raising flop).

[Patonius2000]

no one is ever c/f AAxx when the turn bricks off.

Doesn't that give us a fairly strong reason to flat as well than when we raise the flop and they fold?

(Playing devil's advocate here as I prefer raising flop).

I don't expect a b/f from AAxx on the flop, and I mean you have to offset the % you flat and they c/f diamonds ott vs the amount of times they b/f the flop, I assume the latter number is way <20-25% readless.

[SuuPRlim]

I agree with you all.

I folded here cos i knew I was folding to a river jam. I then took the time out to congratulate him on a lovely turn bet in the chat box.