€3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing?

[George2Loose]

Calling the 3 bet pre is good (esp as it is so small)  I think if you're folding strong hands like j9s it's too exploitable to fold. Calling the flop is good. Raising the turn I hate as you pretty much fold out all his bluffs and potentially prevent yourself from seeing a river where you have 14 outs and also you have a draw you're opponent doesn't put you on.  It's strongly in your interests to see a river not only for your outs but also you can bluff any heart.

Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left.  Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand.   In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs.

Don't know the poster of the hand but think he might have got defensive as his question  got treated by some as it was trivial and he got told rather dismissively to move down stakes.  Obv the whole hand is a bit of a brag but as a self confessed bragger I guess it doesnt bother me too much.

Interesting....

IDK if you're saying it's interesting because Keith has made a good, balanced post or because he has disagreed with a some other people, if it's the latter then I don't think it's especially interesting at all that Keith and other players have a different opinion. I think Keith is a fantastic player and i'd expect him to have opinions that differ from other players of all abilities.

lolwutwasthat was very douchey in his move down stakes comment but the OP was equally as ridiculous in posting the answer to to the thread as, i've been beating the game im right your all wrong and whats more i find it funny how stupid you all are.

for some reason this whole thread has tilted me into actually logging off blonde.

sorry lildave. Actually nothing to do with the thread, his post, and blonde at all. Just a private joke with Keith

[Pugwashed]

Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left.  Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand.   In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs.

I don't get why checking this river can be good, it seems like his range contains a ton of bluff catchers, some flushes, an occasional straight and some missed hearts. The only parts of his range that he might fold when we bet but bet when we check are hearts but surely we lose a ton of value by not making him bluff catch with his bluff catchers? Seem like river bet (even if its a shove or betting small to induce) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check here

[ih8winning]

I didn't "brag" in anyway up untill the point of move down stakes comment I was actually enjoying the thread and most people's thoughts, Ive not once posted on here for any other reason but advice and peoples thoughts. I'm by no means great at poker maybe I did play the hand terrible for most that's why I posted it here but "move down in stakes" because of 1 hand that tilted me.....

[SuuPRlim]

but "move down in stakes" because of 1 hand that tilted me.....

I would have been tilted by that as well in all fairness

[Pinchop73]

Especially coming from a live £0.5/1 reg. ;p

Nice thread.

[ih8winning]

Calling the 3 bet pre is good (esp as it is so small)  I think if you're folding strong hands like j9s it's too exploitable to fold. Calling the flop is good. Raising the turn I hate as you pretty much fold out all his bluffs and potentially prevent yourself from seeing a river where you have 14 outs and also you have a draw you're opponent doesn't put you on.  It's strongly in your interests to see a river not only for your outs but also you can bluff any heart.

Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left.  Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand.   In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs.

Don't know the poster of the hand but think he might have got defensive as his question  got treated by some as it was trivial and he got told rather dismissively to move down stakes.  Obv the whole hand is a bit of a brag but as a self confessed bragger I guess it doesnt bother me too much.

Interesting....

Yeh defensive is correct there was no need for that post. I'm exact the same on river with value hands I don't always just jam if I have a pot size bet left I think thinking of every option in Any given hand is always good.

[ih8winning]

but "move down in stakes" because of 1 hand that tilted me.....

I would have been tilted by that as well in all fairness

+1

[lolwutwasthat]

hey fwiw it wasnt even me who posted the "move down limits" comment...i dont even really post in general and pretty much dont post on pha unless i know you personally...
But here is my insight to the hand. Raise pre, i think calling or folding the 3bet can go either way tbh. OTT i think we shud just c/c as we keep in all his bluffs, thinish value/protecion hands such as random 9x 87/67/8xhh/2xhh and just c/r AI on the river. As played its definately is just a shove as a range play, we are shoving most of our bluffs here so we should just jam our value hands. I think we got kind of lucky that he spazed, if hes a competant hand reader he should know that its supersuper hard for us to have complete air here in this spot which means were are probs only betting with the top of our range in which we are never folding in a 3bet pot.

If you actually got offended then im sorry...i will try to keep my account logged off lol