Live 50/1 spot: Getting the max/line check

[Honeybadger]

Just give him a dry smile look at the dealer a little nervously announce raise and slide out a stack and then start chewing the lower end of the sleeve of your jumper. Gotta sell eat customer..

Pleno, do you wear a cowboy hat at the table?

[DMorgan]

Definitely jam now, as for pre I think flat or 4b is fine, I think I'd prefer a 4bet OOP but peel here since we're in position.

I think its a great spot to jam because your line in completely consistent with all the missed draws and if he's ever going to be curious and flick it in somewhat light (which regs always will at some point) then jam >>>>>>> any other sizing.

Its not just this particular spot either. Any time you show up with a value hand in a spot where you very credibly rep a wide range of bluffs you should be using big sizings.

[SuuPRlim]

Its not just this particular spot either. Any time you show up with a value hand in a spot where you very credibly rep a wide range of bluffs you should be using big sizings.

This is a very good point Dan

A big consideration for your river sizing should be his 3bet range here, if his 3bets are pretty strong and polarised and you expect him to be "light" with a low(ish) frequency then its a clear clear jam as his range is still pretty strong, if he would 3bet wider and lighter then you might wanna think about some silly £35 bet and try induce something, as he will be checking to chk/fold a very high % of the time, cos he wont have any hand at all.

[ashleyc]

Obviously betting here, but how much do we reckon represents what hand versus a thinking player and a player that probably expects me to bet a massive portion of my range when checked to on the river after calling two streets?

This statement is very very wrong. What would you bet on this river apart from trips +? You are checking back a tonne of your range on this river. Stuff like AT, 99. Also, given that the board is paired and that he is a not a fish would you really call the turn with a flush draw. This would be a leak imo.

Anyway river is an easy ship for value. Given how deep you are you could also think about min-raising the flop.

[zerofive]

Obviously betting here, but how much do we reckon represents what hand versus a thinking player and a player that probably expects me to bet a massive portion of my range when checked to on the river after calling two streets?

This statement is very very wrong. What would you bet on this river apart from trips +? You are checking back a tonne of your range on this river. Stuff like AT, 99. Also, given that the board is paired and that he is a not a fish would you really call the turn with a flush draw. This would be a leak imo.

Anyway river is an easy ship for value. Given how deep you are you could also think about min-raising the flop.

Why are we checking back these hands?

Also, I might not call the turn with a flush draw, I might play the entire hand differently, but I think it's wrong to say that his perception of my range by the river doesn't include missed draws.