live £50 freezout

[Donk23]

80 entrants, 45 remaining, 8 get paid

15k starting stack

7 levels in with blinds at 500/1k with 100 antes,  20 minute clock

Hero has just been moved to a new table, alot of limping occurring in the first two orbits

Hero is in the BB with   with 20k stack, Villain limps from mid position with SB completing. Hero checks

flop comes  

SB checks, Hero checks, Villain bets 3K

SB folds

Hero?

[placewise]

I would prefer to lead the flop, then you can barrel alot of turns. So you could take down the pot on 2 opportunities without showdown or get there with your equity in the hand.

• As played if you decide to check raise you cant fold. So if he flats your c/r you have to shove any turn that isn't a heart (might as well get value from this card), and if he sets you in on the flop you dont have enough back to fold considering your equity on the flop.
• As played if you decide to flat, you're playing your hand pretty face-up and if you do hit your card you have to lead rather than look to check raise. Villians range in the hand is more likely to be some sort of suited connector (fish like to limp these hands) so maybe 98/97/96/910/67/65. You're close to 50/50 equity on the flop. Because of all this and youve decided to check, i look to c/r and commit.
  

[pleno1]

Shove pre flop, enough dead money and you get called literally less than 5% of the time as played. C/shove now. Checking is underrated here and think its fine.

[muckthenuts]

Shove pre, we add like 20% to our stack when we get it through.

Lead flop as played. Our equity cuts hugely if we see a blank turn and a bet gets less credibility this way. Lead flop/barrel a bunch of turns if it doesn't get through which will be a stronger line then checking giving us more ways to win the pot.

[cambridgealex]

Shove pre

[placewise]

Shove pre

I thought this was called Poker Hand ANALYSIS not smash your hand on the keyboard and see what comes out?!

FWIW if your going to shove pre in this spot I would rather do it with broadway hands and any PP and connectors. At least IF you are called (its more likely he will fold) you aren't in a dominated spot.

[cambridgealex]

People have already given excellent reasons why its a totally standard jam pre. Wouldve been a waste of time to just copy out what they'd written. So my post was just saying I agree with them.

[JK]

Shove pre

I thought this was called Poker Hand ANALYSIS not smash your hand on the keyboard and see what comes out?!

FWIW if your going to shove pre in this spot I would rather do it with broadway hands and any PP and connectors. At least IF you are called (its more likely he will fold) you aren't in a dominated spot.

I think you are massively overestimating the amount you're getting called here. And massive overrating the kind of hands these players will limp call with.

As play, check shove is nut line imo

[Donk23]

Is there any scope for check raising to 7.2-7.7k and shoving most turns or are we not deep enough?

also does a check shove not polarise our range?

should have shoved pre!

[BulldozerD]

Don't think pre is an auto jam but would probably be my line. As played it's a slam dunk c/jam for me

[placewise]

Shove pre

I thought this was called Poker Hand ANALYSIS not smash your hand on the keyboard and see what comes out?!

FWIW if your going to shove pre in this spot I would rather do it with broadway hands and any PP and connectors. At least IF you are called (its more likely he will fold) you aren't in a dominated spot.

I think you are massively overestimating the amount you're getting called here. And massive overrating the kind of hands these players will limp call with.

As play, check shove is nut line imo

I think me saying that "its more likely he will fold" isn't overestimating the amount he folds! I don't see how a 20bb shove here is standard where 15bigs is probably average stack in these bowl comps and if it is then why not just do it with any 2?

[cambridgealex]

It's getting through say 90% of the time so 90% of the time we add 20% to our stack
Of the 10% we get called, we'll have about 30% equity almost everytime so we double 3%, bust 7%.

=massively +EV.

We have an Ace blocker making it less likely our opponents have AA,AK, AQ or AJ that they'll call with.

It's standard because it's far superior to any other line.

[placewise]

If I'm ever on your table ill make sure I limp your big blind then