GG Ian Holloway

[Doobs]

Hill seems to be one of those chaps who likes to dampen expectation so when Barnsley finish 21st he can say how amazing he is.  

After the Hull defeat he said something along the lines of if I get us to 50 points and we stay up it will be like having walked a tightrope with 2 broken legs.  I mean, come on.  Barnsley are really that much better off than they were under Robins or Wilson or the previous incumbents all who had similar budgets?  Are they that much worse than 8 of the other poorer championship clubs?
  
I'm not advocating Blackpool go for one of the wretchedly poor merry-go-round managers like Megson, Reid or Jewell.  But they would be better placed going for someone dynamic like Robinson at MKD or the Fleetwood boss.

Otherwise, Hill will be telling them how if they get to 60 points and come 12th, it will be like XXXXXXXXX (put cliche)

Jewell did very good jobs at Bradford and Wigan.  You won't find many Bradford fans with a bad word to say about him.  Don't really understand why he did so badly at Derby and Ipswich.  Both were in a bad way when he took over, so guess he just isn't that great at turning teams around.

 Megson hasn't done so badly over the years?

[The Camel]

Hill seems to be one of those chaps who likes to dampen expectation so when Barnsley finish 21st he can say how amazing he is.  

After the Hull defeat he said something along the lines of if I get us to 50 points and we stay up it will be like having walked a tightrope with 2 broken legs.  I mean, come on.  Barnsley are really that much better off than they were under Robins or Wilson or the previous incumbents all who had similar budgets?  Are they that much worse than 8 of the other poorer championship clubs?
  
I'm not advocating Blackpool go for one of the wretchedly poor merry-go-round managers like Megson, Reid or Jewell.  But they would be better placed going for someone dynamic like Robinson at MKD or the Fleetwood boss.

Otherwise, Hill will be telling them how if they get to 60 points and come 12th, it will be like XXXXXXXXX (put cliche)

Jewell did very good jobs at Bradford and Wigan.  You won't find many Bradford fans with a bad word to say about him.  Don't really understand why he did so badly at Derby and Ipswich.  Both were in a bad way when he took over, so guess he just isn't that great at turning teams around.

 Megson hasn't done so badly over the years?

Agree with Jewell.

But while Megson hasn't done too badly in terms f success down the years, his teams play dreadfully negative football.

I would hate for him to become QPR manager.

He think flair is something the kids wore in the 1970s.

[DungBeetle]

Jewell was terrible at Sheff Weds as well, and he was given a lot of patience at Wigan when they could get out of L1 despite having a big budget (although the loyalty shown was rewarded significantly after that).

All managers have had their good posts or they wouldn't be on the merry-go-round.

I don't think you'd find any club's fans who would want Megson appointed as their manager?  Has he actually acheived anything?  One promotion (WBA) with 9 different clubs, some of whom were big guns in their divisions.  He did pretty well with Albion but apart from that I am struggling to see any accomplishments.

[Sheriff Fatman]

I mean, come on.  Barnsley are really that much better off than they were under Robins or Wilson or the previous incumbents all who had similar budgets?  Are they that much worse than 8 of the other poorer championship clubs?

Robins quit after refusing to work with the reduced budget that Hill inherited.

Wilson worked miracles but the Championship now is unrecognisable from 1997 with regard to our relative strength in it.  We could compete financially with probably around 10 clubs then.  Now we're probably struggling to match 3 (perhaps Peterborough and Bristol City, but I'd say we're poorest).

The ridiculous thing is that there are a lot of BFC supporters saying the same thing as you and who want him to be sacked.  They won't realise what we've got until he's gone to bigger and better things.

[Sheriff Fatman]

"Yet anyone who saw the 5-0 demolition of Brum will testify he has created another fantastic team."

They are 20th Camel.  One game doesn't make a season.  At Hull on Saturday they hardly had a shot on goal.

We were pre-season favourites to finish 24th (again) and if you offered me 20th place now I'd snap your hand off.  The difference with Hill is that we're playing better football overall than Robins, Davey, etc ever managed with a budget that decreases in relative terms each season.

We've not finished higher than 17th since getting promoted in 2006.  Hill is the best hope we have of this eventually changing.  I can't think of another realistic managerial candidate who'd keep us up on current resources.

[DungBeetle]

I think you are vastly over-estimating the strength of the championship.  Until te Pozzos my team Watford were predicted to come 24th for three seasons on the bounce and we were never in any danger under various managers.  Much can be achieved with prudent resourcing in a division full of over-rated and overpaid players.

I think Hill is doing a good job, but I am merely commenting on the absurd hyperbole earlier in the thread.

[horseplayer]

i will always take a fans view over anyone

the fact they are struggling but he still sees hill as a very good operator that he is

hyperbole? opinion no hyperbole

[DungBeetle]

The notion that Hill can do significantly more with blackpool than holloway did is hyperbole.  And it didn't come from the Barnsley fan.

I would stress I have never said that I think Hill is not competent at this level.

[horseplayer]

The notion that Hill can do significantly more with blackpool than holloway did is hyperbole.  And it didn't come from the Barnsley fan.

I would stress I have never said that I think Hill is not competent at this level.

it is not hyperbole

as the exact same scenario will never happen it is opinion against opinion

just as it should be

[DungBeetle]

yes you are correct perhaps the wrong context - let's say the difference in ability of Mr Hill verses Mr Holloway has been overestimated in my opinion.