Good spot to raise/shove the river?

[david3103]

I don't play much online cash - but Tilt sent me $20 to splash around with ...

Full Tilt Poker Game #31840629468: Table Swinger (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:51:32 ET - 2013/01/08
Seat 1: chillflush ($10)
Seat 2: iamplr ($7.18)
Seat 3: RomaFilipe ($10)
Seat 4: HERO ($21.67)
Seat 5: gomindan ($8.58)
Seat 6: kefyras ($50.75) -  VPIP19/PFR 15/AF 3.7/3Bet 9.1
gomindan posts the small blind of $0.05
kefyras posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [ ]
iamplr folds
HERO raises to $0.30
gomindan folds
kefyras calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: $0.65, 2 Players)
kefyras checks
HERO bets $0.40
kefyras calls $0.40
*** TURN *** [ ] [Ah] (Total Pot: $1.45, 2 Players)
kefyras checks
HERO bets $0.80
kefyras raises to $2.32
HERO calls $1.52
*** RIVER *** [ Ah] [] (Total Pot: $6.09, 2 Players)
kefyras bets $4.26

We've got the  so he can't have it...

[outragous76]

not after he has raised turn, no

[david3103]

not after he has raised turn, no

fair enough - i folded timebanked out while i wondered what to do :s

[outragous76]

not after he has raised turn, no

fair enough - i folded timebanked out while i wondered what to do :s

hang on, you didnt call river? I mean, Im calling, just not shoving

[david3103]

not after he has raised turn, no

fair enough - i folded timebanked out while i wondered what to do :s

hang on, you didnt call river? I mean, Im calling, just not shoving

i got all indecisive and left it too late to call

[pleno1]

turn is v close/interesting.

definitley fold the river obviously. turn is v close though. any timing tells?

[outragous76]

turn is v close/interesting.

definitley fold the river obviously. turn is v close though. any timing tells?

Not folding river at these stakes mr Leno

[pleno1]

turn is v close/interesting.

definitley fold the river obviously. turn is v close though. any timing tells?

Not folding river at these stakes mr Leno

you probably haven't played these stakes very much then

anything under nl100, especially under nl50 is stupidly nitty.

even at nl100-600, c/raising the turn is probably the least used bluff line by anybody (regs/fish) if we had Ak no club it would be a SNAP fold on the turn and a SNAP fold otr. As played both are probably folds anyway, but calling turn is obv not horrendous with c.

[muckthenuts]

Calling would be better than shoving river, but folding is definitely the best.

[david3103]

turn is v close/interesting.

definitley fold the river obviously. turn is v close though. any timing tells?

timing tells? are they a real thing these days?

none that I noticed anyway - I play onlince cash so rarely that I'm not sure I'd pick up on them even if they were there.

I timed out before I'd made up my mind if maybe there was scope for a JB shove on the river, probably best that way

Probably losing to some sort of two pair?

[pleno1]

Calling would be better than shoving river, but folding is definitely the best.

i disagree with that.

folding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shoving>calling i think.

[muckthenuts]

Ok being 5bi's deep could mean he's capable of fold. Otherwise value range being repped is v strong and i doubt a bluff shove ever gets through your typical nl10 player unless you think he's bluffing, in which case we have enough sdv to call, but yeah just fold river.

[SuuPRlim]

yh gotta agree with pleno here calling not really an option, shove or fold but i'd be very surprised if a shove works as often as we think it does, a big problem is that he is bluffing so infrequently so such a high % of his betting range OTR has a better hand than us, and that (believe it or not) is always a dangerous spot to be bluffing in