just another overpair

[pleno1]

Seat 2: KingNidge ($397.95)
Seat 4: tiltless22 ($412)
Seat 5: mikethefish09 ($1,130.20)
Seat 6: pads1161 ($1,626.05)
sol1ft posts the small blind of $2
KingNidge posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ ]
tiltless22 raises to $12
mikethefish09 raises to $42
pads1161 calls $42
sol1ft has 15 seconds left to act
sol1ft folds
KingNidge folds
tiltless22 calls $30
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: $132, 3 Players)
tiltless22 checks
mikethefish09 checks
pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act
pads1161 bets $60.70
tiltless22 has 15 seconds left to act
tiltless22 calls $60.70
mikethefish09 calls $60.70
*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: $314.10, 3 Players)
tiltless22 checks
mikethefish09 checks
pads1161 checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: $314.10, 3 Players)
tiltless22 has 15 seconds left to act
tiltless22 has requested TIME
tiltless22 bets $309.30, and is all in
mikethefish09 folds
pads1161 fold

std?

[PathFinder]

Looks a solid fold. You would assume villian in question would 4bet JJ+ AQs+ with 2 opponents and he's playing just over 100bb. So that leaves all the other pairs and suited broadway hands. It doesn't seem he would take this line on the river with a busted flush draw and overs. In fact he may force the issue on the flop with this range. So we have overpairs, houses and possible straight and trips left in the range. Moving all in for a post sized bet vs 2 opponents out of position on a dry 3bet board is so strong and I don't think hes turning his overpairs into a bluff. I expect to see houses and trips here often the only exception to the rule is if he flatted AA pre like a sicko.

[Keylek]

Just another trivial fold.

[wazz]

First thought is that I want to 4b pre - we want to have a (semi)bluff 4bet range in this sort of spot, depending on how active they've both been, so I would throw this in as the bottom of our value 4bet range. But ofc cold-call is fine too.

Unsure why we aren't barrelling the turn? Again think we should be following our flop bet up with turn barrels when we don't have it as well so it makes sense to bet when we do have a hand that looks like it's best. There's not going to be a huge amount of value on rivers but we should (assuming we have an aggro enough image) have some semibluffs in our range on the turn - perhaps even Kx? I don't see any particularly strong reason to believe we're beat - 66 might well slowplay but you would assume that JJ+ is taking control of the pot at some point. When the initial 3bettor declines to bet the flop and just calls closing the action I don't expect him to have us beat very often and the initial raiser can have all sorts of hands we beat, including flush draws and lower pairs.

Probably a fold on the river as played but we're getting bluffed by worse hands betting for value here after we essentially give up the hand by checking back the turn.

[Young_gun]

I don't really like the call here pre. if shortie 100bb then shoves and original 3 better calls then what are you doing? if the answer is jamming surely you should be 4betting or folding here?

post flop very awkward now, as its more likely they will be shoving value hands sets/overpairs with the odd bluff so probably a fold as played

Edit- I'd just fold pre

[PathFinder]

but we're getting bluffed by worse hands betting for value here after we essentially give up the hand by checking back the turn.

I dont think thats true, theres not many combinations of worse hands betting for value on the river.

[wazz]

but we're getting bluffed by worse hands betting for value here after we essentially give up the hand by checking back the turn.

I dont think thats true, theres not many combinations of worse hands betting for value on the river.

I agree, which is why I said it's a fold, but it sucks to be bluffed by someone who thinks he has the best hand is all.

[corkeye]

I don't really like the call here pre. if shortie 100bb then shoves and original 3 better calls then what are you doing? if the answer is jamming surely you should be 4betting or folding here?

post flop very awkward now, as its more likely they will be shoving value hands sets/overpairs with the odd bluff so probably a fold as played

Edit- I'd just fold pre

youd fold TT pre flop 4handed, deep, facing a 3bet?

[cambridgealex]

What's your cold calling range here pads?

[pleno1]

What's your cold calling range here pads?

200bbs it depends if the opener is weak but generally something like

Ak, ats+, 88+ and sometimes some suited connectors.

[JustinSayne]

I would be throwing in the cold 4 ball in this spot.

I think this deep our 4bet range should be merged tbh. Since our cold calling range is going to be extremely unbalanced and pretty easy to apply pressure too