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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2014, 12:01:17 PM »

This has always been my argument about DTD.

As fantastic as it is, you can't honestly expect a company to do what they're doing. What business in their right mind is going to throw away £8,000,000?

It's value for players, yes. But it isn't commercially viable as a business. I might be completely wrong and as a business they've turned the corner and they are now a sustainable enterprise - but I have always looked at Rob Yong from a business perspective and thought of him as a maniac. No disrespect to the man intended.

Yes, he has rightly raised the bar for poker and from an objective stand point I think that it's fantastic in principle. But big business doesn't think that way. They are looking at the bottom line. They don't think it's healthy or sustainable. They'll just wait for it to burn out and when the landscape has two operators as opposed to three operators, they aren't going to have to compete in the same sense that they are now.

Which is my point. The competition is good - but that's exactly the reason why you need three fish swimming in the pond instead of one or two.

That's why I think collaboration is key. If the events are locked in and held sacrosanct, then any external forces have to fit in to the margins allowed them. I don't know the answer to this, and I am not being cryptic - but if the WPT really had to happen and it was absolutely impossible to do anything then I would be on the phone and saying, "Russell. I have got something I simply cannot refuse and I have to run it X to Y. I don't want to sting you for tens of thousands of pounds. I would just like to say in advance that I think moving Blackpool might be a good idea."

Did that happen? It may well have done. I just think these guys need to work together a little bit - because if they don't then in my opinion the real loser isn't the operators. It's you.



It's hard to believe how blind to the pay master you are when you post under your own name.  You talk about working together and collaboration but there was no mention of this when grosv thought dtd were just a fly by night operation in circa 2006 and spent a year and cost rob millions to try and send him busto during the planning stage through the courts.  This is never mentioned but I am sure certain figures will have enjoyed knowing the middle buy in wpt event of the 3 main events was going to clash with gukpt Blackpool (which is the only buy in event of the whole three week wpt festival which is direct competition to a £1k established  gukpt mainstay event.  Whether it was deliberate or not I don't know but if someone offered me a free bet on whether it was or not I think I know which side I would be backing.

  The only time you and your firm think there should be an element of team work is now dtd have blown your sorry arse (100% reactive not proactive in the last 5 years - Goliath only exists because you were losing punters hand over fist to the dtd Grand Prix and the 25/25 because the GPS undercut your main tour product and you started losing bigger staking punters as the recession deepened and people were less inclined to pay a grand for a live mtt) poker product out of the water and you are playing clear 2nd fiddle after years of dominating live uk poker.  It's become so bad that your 2nd biggest card room in your estate 10 years ago (Walsall) has been crushed so badly by dtd that it doesn't even have a gukpt leg at all next year which is quite amazing.

Would have been a good argument if Grovesnor were one of those that objected.  The objectors were Stanley, Gala and London Clubs International.   Probably why it is never mentioned!

I forgot the now grosv was a gala back in those days but it's 1.0000001 they would have done the same thing if they had a presence in nottingham in 2006.
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2014, 04:43:32 PM »

All is cool with DTD and every other poker operator as far as I am concerned. We will do our best to always avoid clashing, not just to be nice, because it's bad for our business to clash aswell - means less players - simple. Sometimes it's just unavoidable though - if you list out the 52 weeks in 2015, put in GPS / GUKPT / 25-25 / UKIPT / WPT Accumlator , the slots left for our 4 X DTD major poker festivals are Xmas day and New Years Eve - hmmmmm.............thanks very much for publishing your schedules 15 months ahead and leaving us with those spare dates to choose from!

In terms of the GPS, we only got 650 in September because we were unable to do it justice due to focus on WPT. After the last GPS at DTD, I spoke to Genting (who I have an excellent relationship with) and said that we would be happy to do a GPS again but with more of a "DTD festival" feel to it, something that we could really get behind. I don't think a standard £100K GTD £440 buy-in GPS held at DTD adds much to their existing GPS tour, and its our strategy to focus on major events and not to duplicate the poker products that are already adequately on offer in the marketplace. My proposal is with the Genting board for consideration and hopefully in the future we can do something with Genting again at DTD.  

Thanks for all support on this WPT, gonna smoke the cigar Maria gave to me tonight after beating the 2000 Smiley

Cheers Rob

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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2015, 02:40:33 PM »

The Genting Poker Series amends dates and makes changes to its upcoming 2015 season. http://ow.ly/GVF55
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2015, 02:03:03 PM »

 

Rob Y ...A maniac business man? ...No, yes? it`s just a matter of opinion... but one thing is for sure, he has done more to promote and push poker further than anyone or any group in the UK in the last 5-10 years.. that`s for sure.

Maybe he approaches it as a business (man) that loves poker... and not as a business that tolerates poker and poker players, as a necessary evil.
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