Tale of the busted straight flush draw

[Spitroaster]

Playing the final two tables of a live tournament, I a large chip leader with about 60,000 chips.

Blinds 800/1600

  big blind

Linda (30,000) Raises 1600, Eddie (40,000) calls

I call as i am getting 5-1 even though i know its a loose call.

Flop comes 

I like the flop as i have a flush and inside straight draw and an over card to the flop giving me 15 outs to a pair on the board but i am first to speak.

After some thought i go all in, Linda calls with  , Eddie folds, none of my cards hit and my stack is halved.

Was this a bad play?

[cambo]

shockin play colin shockin, nearly as bad as u over playing the king king 

[Newmanseye]

The problem here is your all in move looks like a draw, Think of how many daft punters chick their chips in the pot with any flush draw.

Now had you bet  half the pot, and moved in on the turn, you would have taken the pot imho. for the followimg reasons.

(1) Your bet is showing strength, Stating you have this pot, and wish to control the betting

(2) Betting out half the pot shows you want more money in the pot, and you are willing to let the other players "buy the card"

( 3) moving in on the turn is you closing the door to people drawing for a card, now if the turn brings a scare card you may have to augment your approach, but don't demolish your stack for a draw!


just my opinion on the hand

[Timaloy]

I agree with what you are saying Billy but I don't think it really applys here, I think they just look and say "A10 top pr all-in". 

Think a check call would be best in this situation, and a half pot size bet on the turn if there is an over card to the board, now they are scared of the higher card (backdoor mugging) plus now they are thinking did this card improve your hand and they are now worried about facing another bet again on the river with 2nd, possibly even 3rd pair.

I don't mind the all-in move that much, it just makes there decision easier, its much harder to play through the streets with a venerable hand then it is to call an allin on the flop.

There isnt much room to manover in short stack poker though.

[Timaloy]

I think the allin move was to try win the pot there and then but you dont have much information on there hand so it turned out to be a bit of a stab in the dark.

[Newmanseye]

I think the allin move was to try win the pot there and then but you dont have much information on there hand so it turned out to be a bit of a stab in the dark.

Thats my point, it looks like he's buying the pot, as he's on the draw, better ti=o set up the bluff rather than make its blatant in my opinion.

[Timaloy]

I agree

[Spitroaster]

I think i was using the fact i covered both oppenents in chips to make the decision easier. Either the had top pair or could not call and even if they do mathamatically i am ahead and if i hit either or both dump alot of chips to me.
In this case she had it and i didn't hit.