What would of been your play

[NEVES]

Hi,

 NL multi 50 players left blinds 200-400 av stack 4700, my stack 3800.
I have just been moved to this table i am bb, utg +3 flat calls sb makes up.

I hold KJ o/s i check, FLOP 9-10-J rain/bo, SB (2600) bets 400 i raise all -in
UTG(9500) calls sb pass UTG flips over made straight and i don't hit mine.

 Could i of played this softer and gottin away from this on the flop or am i
Thinking to negative.

                    Best
                         Neves
 

[snoopy1239]

Multis are not my strength, so don't take much notice of my advice.

What I would have done is just flat-called and waited to see what the limper did.

I'd ask myself what he was flatcalling with in that position. With that flop, there's a good chance that he's made something with a hand like A-J, K-Q, J-T, 9-9, 7-8 suited, etc

It just looks a bit dangerous to me and I don't want to stick my life on the line with such a vulnerable hand, especially with a player left in and a small blind that has just raised.

[boldie]

Hi,

 NL multi 50 players left blinds 200-400 av stack 4700, my stack 3800.
I have just been moved to this table i am bb, utg +3 flat calls sb makes up.

I hold KJ o/s i check, FLOP 9-10-J rain/bo, SB (2600) bets 400 i raise all -in
UTG(9500) calls sb pass UTG flips over made straight and i don't hit mine.

 Could i of played this softer and gottin away from this on the flop or am i
Thinking to negative.

                    Best
                         Neves
 

hmmmm  top pair with a possible straight...it's fair enough...you were just unlucky the guy acting after you have the straight. I have no problem with the bet and as you are shortstacked it wasn't a bad way to make a move...just the wrong time because UTG had the made straight.

I reckon it's fair play to be honest.

[BigSoti]

Having hit top pair after the flop I'd always look to define where I was in the hand. You can't flat call because theres every chance you could allow your opponent to hit an as yet unmade staight or even to hit an ace if he's holding one. You have to raise in this situation. Given the amount of chips you have any decent raise is going to pretty much commit you to the pot so the all in call was not a bad one IMO.

[Hoooobaa]

flop fold - boo ya

Hooba

[SupaMonkey]

I agree with snoops. If you reraise you are pricing youself in if the SB goes allin whereas if you flat call you leave the limper with a decision.

In my opinion

If he flat calls he must be very strong i.e. he limped with K-Q or incredibly weak (tbh i can't see what hand he would have limped with that would leave him incredibly weak here, maybe a small pp) and bearing in mind he is the big stack and only limped (i.e. he could have raised to put pressure on the rest of the table straight away) i think he is a more likely to passive play a strong hand (i.e. he doesn't want to scare off the people who will pay him off, plus you are the blinds and may not have much of anything). In a multiway pot your hand becomes much easier to lay down and if he raises then you have position and can see what happens. If the SB folds to the limper's raise then generally i would move in on the limper.

The problem with moving in the way you did is that you aren't going to scare off any hands you can beat (except A-J) and you are likely to be called by 2 pair etc. I think your all in reeks of desperation and i would have you on a str8 draw instantly.

I would be interested in hearing thoughts to the contrary....

[boldie]

I agree with snoops. If you reraise you are pricing youself in if the SB goes allin whereas if you flat call you leave the limper with a decision.

In my opinion

If he flat calls he must be very strong i.e. he limped with K-Q or incredibly weak (tbh i can't see what hand he would have limped with that would leave him incredibly weak here, maybe a small pp) and bearing in mind he is the big stack and only limped (i.e. he could have raised to put pressure on the rest of the table straight away) i think he is a more likely to passive play a strong hand (i.e. he doesn't want to scare off the people who will pay him off, plus you are the blinds and may not have much of anything). In a multiway pot your hand becomes much easier to lay down and if he raises then you have position and can see what happens. If the SB folds to the limper's raise then generally i would move in on the limper.

The problem with moving in the way you did is that you aren't going to scare off any hands you can beat (except A-J) and you are likely to be called by 2 pair etc. I think your all in reeks of desperation and i would have you on a str8 draw instantly.

I would be interested in hearing thoughts to the contrary....

I have to strongly disagree with this one. SB bets after the flop. If you flat call and UTG flatcalls you have no idea where you are either. There is no reason to suppose UTG has the made straight on a board like this after he limped in (we don't know whether UTG made the nut straight or the low end of it..he could have limped in with suited connectors for all we know.)

A flat call would cost another 400 and what are you hoping to hit? you have top pair..good kicker..and you're low on chips. if he were to flat call he would only have 3400 left. SB might bet again if the turn draws a blank...still leaving you with top pair and good kicker. what if your kicker hits? Anyone with a queen has got you beat then and that only because you let them in cheap.

you have to make a stand sometime when low on chips and top pair with a good kicker + a straight draw surely must be the hand to do it with.

[SupaMonkey]

But raising prices you in against the SB and if the big stack has limped and caught the flop he is going to want to find out where he is.

If the big stack flat calls and the SB bets the turn i would fold, the SB is showing a lot of strength betting into two players like that.

You're right, you need to get some chips but you are putting your whole stack on the line for 1600 against two players (it is the two players part i am worried about). This is not a nice situation and i would choose another.

[Jinky04]

If the SB min bets in this spot I raise every time.
Maybe with hindsight a min raise or up to 1K seems good,if your limper or SB moves in or flat calls you dwell and pass or give up but I certainly think a flat call or fold here is incorrect. I see no prob with your play given your stack size vs blinds, more chips behind you obv you make a raise then pack to later player's strength but in this spot you have heehaw to play with, ship em in, only a made straight or straight your miles behind. But then again I'm pissed and not that good so take my druken ramblings with a pinch and a half of salt. OT, enjoyed a fine 'kareoke bar' in glasgow this evening, those free passes sun-fri are top notch.

[boldie]

But raising prices you in against the SB and if the big stack has limped and caught the flop he is going to want to find out where he is.

If the big stack flat calls and the SB bets the turn i would fold, the SB is showing a lot of strength betting into two players like that.

You're right, you need to get some chips but you are putting your whole stack on the line for 1600 against two players (it is the two players part i am worried about). This is not a nice situation and i would choose another.

fair enough...I suppose you could play it that way...I ussually ship them in at this point...then again I ussually finish 3rd