What would you do?

[SupaMonkey]

Please tell me if you agree or disagree with the way i played this hand.

Also, pls tell me if you would call or fold at the end, i will post the end of the hand later.

Hand #34366004-163 at Fri12amB-027 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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Started at 18/Aug/06 02:04:08
 
     Myrlmig is at seat 0 with 15210.
     S_MickQ is at seat 1 with 5900.
     Action Wub is at seat 2 with 7895.
     minefield98 is at seat 3 with 5330.
     creekhouse is at seat 5 with 3435.
     SupaMonkey is at seat 6 with 11615.
     seattlesitngo is at seat 7 with 9430.
     UCOSMO is at seat 8 with 125.
     JOHNNY_I is at seat 9 with 6570.
     The button is at seat 2.
     
     Myrlmig posts ante (25).
     S_MickQ posts ante (25).
     Action Wub posts ante (25).
     minefield98 posts ante (25).
     creekhouse posts ante (25).
     SupaMonkey posts ante (25).
     seattlesitngo posts ante (25).
     UCOSMO posts ante (25).
     JOHNNY_I posts ante (25).
     creekhouse posts the small blind of 150.
     SupaMonkey posts the big blind of 300.

     Myrlmig:  -- --
     S_MickQ:  -- --
     Action Wub:  -- --
     minefield98:  -- --
     creekhouse:  -- --
     SupaMonkey: 
     seattlesitngo:  -- --
     UCOSMO:  -- --
     JOHNNY_I:  -- --

Pre-flop:
 
          seattlesitngo raises to 600.   
          UCOSMO goes all-in for 100.   
          JOHNNY_I folds.   
          Myrlmig calls.   
          S_MickQ folds.   
          Action Wub folds.   
          minefield98 folds. 
          creekhouse folds.   
          SupaMonkey calls.   

Flop (board:   ):
 
          SupaMonkey bets 1200.   
          seattlesitngo calls.   
          Myrlmig calls.   

Turn (board:   ):
 
          SupaMonkey checks.   
          seattlesitngo bets 4500.   
          Myrlmig goes all-in for 13385.   
          SupaMonkey .... 

What would you do here?

Edit, this is a $10 mtt at Ub. Generally the players are fairly fishy and more than happy to bluff. I had previously called a large river bet and been shown a pp of 5's which was a pretty big bluff given the board. Convincing bluffs will get through but half pot continuation bets are reraised constantly.

I can't give you too many notes on the players cos it was 6am when i was playing this.

[boldie]

I don't think the 10 changed anything...if anything I think the ten is the reason the guy reraises 13k as he's got AK and is no longer worried about the flush draw.

The other guy probably bets the nut flush draw (K of spades) and is hoping to collect...little semi bluf..I like that play (he read supersystem 2)

I would take my 2 pair to be good...especially online.

[jezza777]

The call is fine, plenty in the pot , the flop bet is also good. After a raise and a reraise on the turn your 2 pair should be dead but at this level its probably not. I pass and wait for a better opportunity simply because I dont know where I am in the hand.

[rivered]

I hate this kinda situation, very tough for me to play - i usually fold and feel weak by doing so. 

A few things lead me to folding - the min raise UTG means to me that he's more likely to have a mid pair and has hit trips, he's got the AA and is playing it in the 'classical' harrington way, or he's got something like 9T or 78 suited - i.e. he's hit the hand pretty big - much less likely that he's got AK / AQ / AJ as the min raise would be odd from UTG imo.  Secondly, he knows you're gonna end up seeing his hand as you've got the all in player still in, so he's less inclined to bluff at this. 

I think it's more likely he's beating you than not here - chance he's got the two pair after playing his 9Ts is less than chances he's tripped up or has the straight, so I'd probably relunctantly fold and grimace when he shows 74o.  You've still got over 5k to play with so you're not out of the running by any means. 

[SupaMonkey]

Thanks for the replies guys. I'll show what happened soon but the board typically gets busy on fri afternoons so i'll wait a bit.

Rivered, i checked the turn so i still have just under 9800.

[SupaMonkey]

Right, I was thinking along the lines of Jezza but boldie was quite close. Take a look.

Turn (board:   ):
 
          SupaMonkey checks.   
          seattlesitngo bets 4500.   
          Myrlmig goes all-in for 13385.   
          SupaMonkey folds. 
          seattlesitngo goes all-in for 7605.   
          Myrlmig is returned 5780 (uncalled).   

          Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:
 
               Myrlmig shows .
               seattlesitngo shows .
               UCOSMO shows .

The river was a blank and seattle took the pot. I typed A-6 in the chat box and some people thought that that was a bad laydown, hence posting the hand here. I just couldn't see how i could be ahead. Thanks for your thoughts.

[snoopy1239]

I don't think it was necessarily a bad laydown, at least you're still in the comp with a half decent stack.

The hands that they had in the end are pretty much the best you could hope for after a raise and a reraise, they could easily have hands that had you completely tied up.

Even considering they had hands that you were beating, the number of outs they have makes your 2-pair look pretty vulnerable.

Any King, Seven, Queen or spade, that's quite a few whilst also relying on them holding these specific hands (1 with top pair and the other with a flush draw)

[Jinky04]

To be honest mate reading the inital hand history I thought your A6 was a mile ahead. Villain moves on the 10? What he's trying to persuade you he's got 78, I thought BS. To be fair I'm no that good obv have no intel on previous betting patterns but I push there every time online a $10 tourney.Possily why I'm shite.

[SupaMonkey]

Fair enough but at the time i was trying to think of hands i could be ahead of. The 10 completes the straight for the 7-8 so i am really hoping that both of my opponents have A-K/Q/J. Given the betting that seems unlikely and i couldn't believe it when they showed their cards.

If seattle had checked the turn behind me and then Myrlmig bet, i would have moved in.

[thetank]

I wanna make two points.

Firstly, It wasn't the worst laydown ever. When you're ahead (as you were here) of the 40 unaccounted for cards in the deck, only 21 are good for you, hardly a lock.
When you're behind (as the betting suggests you will be a good portion of the time) probably as little as 2 cards will push you the pot.
I'd like to think I would fold here.

Secondly, I'm not a fan of letting the table know I layed down two pair. It'll be hard to convince me there was any value in doing that.
I reckon they may label you as weak, and be more likely to re-raise you with marginals later on, when you'd prefer they just folded and let you have the blinds.
The only person at the table who needs to know you can play poker is yourself. (That's one of my mottos    )

[SupaMonkey]

ok, thanks tank.

[Jinky04]

Sorry if I was blunt earlier but i was drunker. I've been playing mostly cash recently so thats why I jumped to the immediate conclusion that your two pair was good and I'd prob call a lot there (I've been playing drunk low limits mostly) but in a tourney with your stack a laydown is definitely good there, I'm actually quite conservative in tournaments when I'm not dictating the action so I'd probably have lead out again on the turn have faced an all in and folded losing more chips but saving in terms of commas which are scarce in these tough times.

Like I said- drunker.As in "I am now more soberer"

[SupaMonkey]

Hey Jinky no problem.

Now for the most important question; wtf are you and tank doing out of bed before 10am on a saturday 



Thanks for the thoughts guys it was useful.