dragons den and poker league

[Claw75]

Also felt REALLY sorry for the blonde woman who's partner was a serious liability (the 'construction industry' pitch).

She desrved what she got if you ask me. When her liability of a partner was corpsing at the beginning of her pitch, she did nothing to help out. She could at least have been ready to jump in an keep things ticking along while her partner regained composure, but no, she just stood there grinning like an idiot, saying nothing.

exactly what I thought - she's standing there going "it's ok, don't worry etc" to her mate while she's falling apart.  Surely if they wanted any chance at getting any cash she should have taken over, explaining that her friend was nervous.

[gmoneyAK]

like i said we make this show at the place where i work and i saw the rushes and noticed that the nuts poker league had a game in a pub that was local to me and went along it was truely awful. This is the email i sent to them adn the replies i got.

first i sent this

"if its free as it says on website why did i get charged 3 quid to play" thats right not free i had to pay £3 to play. the reply was

Hi Gary,

The Nuts Poker League does not charge to play. However, as it's the
Landlords premises they will have the ultimate say in how things are
organised at their venue. We advise all landlords that its ok to run a
raffle, football card or even put food on, but its their choice. All
they want to do is recoup some of the costs of staging the event and if
their costs are not met then they would not have the event on.

Hope this reply makes sense.

Steve
The Nuts Poker League.

[gmoneyAK]

I then sent this its a long one but just some of the things i had issues with about the whole night

Thats fair enough but it wasnt a raffle or football card. It was the organiser of the event collecting three pound from every player and i was told by them that it was to keep the league running. Now im sure your aware that according to gaming laws it is illegal to run a poker tournament or cash game where money is directly raked from the players, of which i would consider taking three pound from every player before they can play as rake. However charging me 3 pounds was the only thing that will stop me from probably going to another event.

The lack of organisation was dispicable and many things throughout the night made me question why i had turned up, they were the following.

1. Although we drew for table number we didnt draw for seats once we had our table surely we should draw for what position we should sit at not sit wherever we want.

2 There was no information on how often the blinds were and when they would go up.

3 the balancing of the tables was appaling at one point we were playing on our table with blinds of 200 400 with 4 players while the other table had 7 players a disadvantage to our table im sure you will agree. Not only that when the tables joined it turned out that the other table had been playing 100/200 not 200/ 400 another huge disadvantage to us and a shocking lack of organisation.

4. When people were asked to move to other tables they were told to sit anywhere they liked no effort was made to sit them accordingly.

5 when joining a new table they dealt cards (lowest card) to see who the dealer would be very unlucky if like me you posted the big blind got moved then drew the big blind again.

6. Finally chipping up just rounding uo your chips to get rid of your lower denominations is pathetic i had 400 in 25s so got 4 100s however next to me had 350 in 25s yet he got 400 as well. If you have ever played a real tournament you will realise this is not the way you chip up.

All in all i was very dissappointed and will not be attending. I think you should reconsider training your agents and stop advertising it for free and collecting £3 directly from every player.I wonder if the dragons know they are investing in a business that is breaking the casino and gaming licence laws.

I have not had a reply yet. Im all for a bit of fun and only went for a laugh but the organisation or lack of was terrible after speaking up once or teice and falling on death ears i gave up.

[byronkincaid]

sounds like a good investment. where do I send the cheque?

[Graham C]

The thing is, he may well do ok out of it.  There are millions of people in the UK and poker is becoming more popular day by day.  The more experienced people won't play at his game, but that's not what he wants - he wants the newcomers, the people that will 'give it a go', enjoy it and just play there once a week.  Then they'll be tempted to click his affliate link and he'll get lots of small amounts of rakeback each month.  He's not going to get any big cash from anyone, but he will get lots of small amounts that add up nicely.  If he can get a couple of pounds of everyone in the Wrexham area alone, that will be a small fortune.

[BrumBilly]

I think the 'construction' women had a clearly defined script they were working to and the blonde didn't want to jump in for fear of getting it in the neck from the NUTTER. If that's the way she responds to the Dragons then I can just imagine she's a right nightmare to work with as a partner. While watching I thought she should help out and take over but on reflection i thought this would probably end in a fight initiated by the crazy one.

[redsimon]

I then sent this its a long one but just some of the things i had issues with about the whole night

Thats fair enough but it wasnt a raffle or football card. It was the organiser of the event collecting three pound from every player and i was told by them that it was to keep the league running. Now im sure your aware that according to gaming laws it is illegal to run a poker tournament or cash game where money is directly raked from the players, of which i would consider taking three pound from every player before they can play as rake. However charging me 3 pounds was the only thing that will stop me from probably going to another event.

The lack of organisation was dispicable and many things throughout the night made me question why i had turned up, they were the following.

1. Although we drew for table number we didnt draw for seats once we had our table surely we should draw for what position we should sit at not sit wherever we want.

2 There was no information on how often the blinds were and when they would go up.

3 the balancing of the tables was appaling at one point we were playing on our table with blinds of 200 400 with 4 players while the other table had 7 players a disadvantage to our table im sure you will agree. Not only that when the tables joined it turned out that the other table had been playing 100/200 not 200/ 400 another huge disadvantage to us and a shocking lack of organisation.

4. When people were asked to move to other tables they were told to sit anywhere they liked no effort was made to sit them accordingly.

5 when joining a new table they dealt cards (lowest card) to see who the dealer would be very unlucky if like me you posted the big blind got moved then drew the big blind again.

6. Finally chipping up just rounding uo your chips to get rid of your lower denominations is pathetic i had 400 in 25s so got 4 100s however next to me had 350 in 25s yet he got 400 as well. If you have ever played a real tournament you will realise this is not the way you chip up.

All in all i was very dissappointed and will not be attending. I think you should reconsider training your agents and stop advertising it for free and collecting £3 directly from every player.I wonder if the dragons know they are investing in a business that is breaking the casino and gaming licence laws.

I have not had a reply yet. Im all for a bit of fun and only went for a laugh but the organisation or lack of was terrible after speaking up once or teice and falling on death ears i gave up.

For a tournament costing £3 each you won't get much organisation, so I'm not surprised it was a bit of a shambles.

[boldie]

also ." Finally chipping up just rounding uo your chips to get rid of your lower denominations is pathetic i had 400 in 25s so got 4 100s however next to me had 350 in 25s yet he got 400 as well. If you have ever played a real tournament you will realise this is not the way you chip up."

that's the way most of the tourneys i play in chip up...i see no problem with this whatsoever.

[The Rivercard]

Anything that adds credibility to poker is ok by me. With everything that is going on in the US we need as much positive press as possible. Our pokerinthepub league is meant to be fun and entertaining and is structured to be for more new or recreational players (though no player should ever be charged ). I am sure it is not as well structured as a real poker tourney,though Dave Cain is extremely professional in his approach to his nights he also recognises that we need to educate new players to the fun side of the game. I hope the other leagues continue to portray poker in a positive manner and that they don't charge players (which is illegal).

The next 12 months is vital for the growth of poker with the new laws coming in next September and super casinos being built this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to put poker in the same corporate arena as golf. So if 2 Dragons say Steve Bellis is worth investing thats good news for all of us....I still would have gone with Bannatyne though

[dik9]

For a tournament costing £3 each you won't get much organisation, so I'm not surprised it was a bit of a shambles.

The tournament has got to be free, and surprised as a poker player that seems to know what he is talking about would wish to play anything like this seriously? It is meant as a bit of fun, and introducing prospective new players to the game. My friend asked me to run a game for a different league to both advertised on here, in fact the league is www.anpl.co.uk and was held at a pub very close to me. Originally I went down to see what it was all about, and then got roped into running it. Very rough pub 43 players that needed to be seated and whittled down to a winner within 3 hours, nobody ever dealt before and 95% not knowing any rules. You try telling 10 bruisers that the 5 pt chips are worthless when the blinds are 25/50 and explaining a chip up process, i ended up taking over on each table and nearly got my head kicked in LOL trust me it is better just to chip up.
Having to compete with a football match on the big screen, explaining to people how to play the game and who actually wins with what hands. But over all it was a laugh and a good night was had, people talked about it all week and couldn't wait till the next one. Job Done, allbeit improvised. But if a regular poker player went down that night, he would be horrified at some of the plays/strokes/verbal etc. BUT IT WAS FUN FOR THOSE PLAYERS!!!

[El Yortle]

I think the fact his site had received 50,000 hits had a lot to do with it. I know nowt about the significance of this figure but I remember one of the Dragons saying it was a big number.

That actually seems quite low to me. I used to run a Twin Peaks website in the late-90's, and it didn't take long to get past 50,000 hits even back then when the internet was a lot less mature than it is now.