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Tom L
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« on: February 01, 2007, 06:32:04 PM »

[Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- MigaS sitting in seat 1 with $50.90
- Butterflyshy sitting in seat 2 with $47.20
- FourKingAce sitting in seat 3 with $64.70
- _JmF_VmF_ sitting in seat 4 with $69.49
- Runasta sitting in seat 5 with $51.40
- Operga sitting in seat 6 with $40.83
- DonCalavera sitting in seat 7 with $50.35 [Dealer]
- windictive sitting in seat 9 with $49.20
- TomL sitting in seat 10 with $59.32

windictive posted the small blind - $0.25
TomL posted the big blind - $0.50

** Dealing card to TomL: 
MigaS folded
Butterflyshy called - $0.50
FourKingAce folded
_JmF_VmF_ called - $0.50
Runasta folded
Operga folded
DonCalavera folded
windictive folded
TomL bet - $2.50
Butterflyshy called - $2.50
_JmF_VmF_ called - $2.50

** Dealing the flop:
TomL bet - $6.00
Butterflyshy called - $6.00
_JmF_VmF_ folded

** Dealing the turn: 
TomL bet - $10.00
Butterflyshy raised - $20.00
TomLea called - $20.00

** Dealing the river: 
TomL checked
Butterflyshy went all-in - $18.70
TomL called - $18.70
Butterflyshy shows: 
TomL mucks: 

Butterflyshy wins $94.15 from the main pot

I'm sure my river call here is pretty terrible since almost any small or medium pair plus the possible flush has me beat. But generally, am I destined to lose a large amount here or could I have played it better?

Also any thoughts on his play with the 77 would be welcomed.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 07:24:50 PM »

Pre-flop and flop play is fine, as is his.

I'd fold to the turn raise against a lot of known opponents.

If you're going to call the turn, you should push it all-in though seeing as he only has $18 back: A lot of good players will min-raise the turn so that they can check the river behind if they have a hand they want to call you with but are not over confident about. E.g. TT in this example. It works out cheaper than just calling your turn bet, and then calling what would be a larger river bet, plus it makes you pay more if you did happen to be drawing with, say, AK.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2007, 12:13:11 AM »

getting away from sets is vital to keep a steady roll in cash


but often times they are the hardest to spot
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2007, 03:21:25 AM »

getting away from sets is vital to keep a steady roll in cash


but often times they are the hardest to spot


Absolutely.

However, as long as you make them pay the correct price for their implied odds then it's not a problem.

As a general rule, you need approx. 10/1 to play PPs against someone who can't lay down their AA/KK. (The odds of flopping your set AND them not hitting their set by the river.)

You lost 50BB and he paid 5BB pre-flop (10/1) - when either you or your opponent are short-stacked (50BB or less) then you're rarely going to get away from paying off a set.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2007, 07:55:31 AM »

Flop, pre flop fine.

Im not a fan of leading the turn here im happy to check call the turn and then reasses the river. When you have been min raised on the turn there is not a hand you are beating apart from a total bluff, FACT.

Min raises on the turn are nearly always pure strength. Yes fold the river aswell.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2007, 09:28:21 AM »

Pre-flop and flop is indeed fine on the turn as soon as you're reraised it's a fold. any 5 killls you here. there is essentially no hand you're beating and it's time to let go in my humble opinion.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2007, 02:38:54 PM »

 Pot odds are too great on river to fold.

Turn is scariest card in the deck though and its impossible to spot hi set. He just gets lucky as if he had a set on the flop he would shoved as its too draw heavy to slowplay.
Infact i shut down on the turn and want to play a small pot.

Most likely hand he is calling you with on the flop is 5 x.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 02:28:44 PM »

Great comments.

Thanks everyone Grin
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