Value bet the river?

[TightEnd]

I wasn't happy with the limp pre-flop or the flat call on the flop really, but thats the way it went.

On the river, are you value betting?

Opponent is loose and has lost half his starting stack in 30 mins overplaying marginal hands post flop

what do you think he has post turn?


$2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em -

Seat 1: Luckyplayzz ($195)
Seat 2: jennie1981 ($541.70)
Seat 3: Viceguy ($390.25)
Seat 4: WCL Da Kid ($191)
Seat 6: Natrykris ($338)
Seat 7: Dan3316 ($238)
Seat 8: dtekdis1 ($250.50)
Seat 9: fibifi ($108.80)
Luckyplayzz posts the small blind of $2
jennie1981 posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Natrykris [ ]
Viceguy calls $4
WCL Da Kid calls $4
Natrykris calls $4
Dan3316 calls $4
dtekdis1 folds
fibifi calls $4
Luckyplayzz calls $2
jennie1981 checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Luckyplayzz checks
jennie1981 checks
Viceguy checks
WCL Da Kid bets $28
Natrykris calls $28
Dan3316 folds
fibifi folds
Luckyplayzz folds
jennie1981 folds
Viceguy folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []
WCL Da Kid checks
Natrykris bets $44
WCL Da Kid calls $44
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
WCL Da Kid checks
Natrykris ?

[kinboshi]

What sort of marginal hands has he been playing?

When he overplayed the hands earlier, was he check-calling or leading out with the betting?

From what you've said, I reckon you're ahead - and you want to be value betting.  Of course, he could have QQ or JJ (and his post-flop play would match these hands), but he could have a wide range of hands really (AQ, busted flush draw, QJ) - most of which you beat.

That's just my thoughts, and with the way my cash play has been going - I'm probably well off the mark. 

[TightEnd]

calling people down with middle pair etc, usually leading out then check calling



 

[kinboshi]

calling people down with middle pair etc, usually leading out then check calling



 

Same as this hand then really?  I'd make a decent-size value bet, feel pretty confident about it, right up to the moment he re-raises all-in and turns over QQ...

[boldie]

Absolutely. I would stick in 60'ish...he's bound to call that from your description

[byronkincaid]

I wasn't happy with the limp pre-flop or the flat call on the flop really

Why? seems ok to me

I would value bet here, you can easily be called by worse hands. I'm guessing you're gonna say he check raised the river. I would prob call a small C/R and then swear loudly when he turns over 67. Depends how much of a donk you think he is I suppose.

[doubleup]

The problem with this kind of player is that I would have to call him if raised on the river - so I bet slightly more than half his remaining stack i.e. 60 - hopefully he calls this with mediocre hands at least as often as he has me beat and raises.

[TightEnd]

Just got to go out, which means I don't have the time to write the authoritative prose so beloved of Byron and my fellow crap players!

I bet $44, he check raised me all in for another $70 or so

so Byron got that right

I feared QQ but was committed to it given a potential $400 pot and called...he flipped J6 off for the house. Ugh!

donk is right, but he got me this time

[The Baron]

I'm value betting Vs this type of player here all day.

[Smart Money]

There is no way you can put someone limping UTG+1 on J6 here. Likewise, you can rule out any other hand that you are behind to (QQ, JJ) because these would (should) have been raised with from his position especially after UTG limps.

Many very poor players love to slow-play as soon as they hit a big hand. He got lucky that you hit trips but his turn check is terrible- with 7 people seeing a flop, it is quite likely that someone is drawing to a flush here, and your call behind him should tell him that. Therefore he should be betting out on the turn an amount that a flush drawer is happy to call.

His poor play makes it hard for you to know what he's holding. However, the one factor that would determine whether I value bet here is the stack sizes. If both players were deep (100BB+) then I'd just check behind because if he check/raises you with a deep stack you have an unwelcome decision to make. As he's short stacked (<50BB) then I would value bet here and call any all-in of course.

Sometimes you have to take one for the table and pass your money to the table idiot.


(Very good question by the way.)

[AlexMartin]

Nothing wrong with your line here, i value bet your hand too. AQ and AA/KK pay you off more times than J6 gets lucky.