QQ hand

[AlexMartin]

v. standard spot. Spot where heaps of players lose lots of money. Need shit loads more info on villain to give decent assessment. But here's my thoughts.

I dont play this hand this passively in this spot, it loses more money than opening up his range and bluff catching makes.  Situation is ugly. Whe you are re-raised preflop by this guy, you know his hand pretty well. Its a different world if ur playing highly LAG and/or so is he, in that situation i like a more passive cc line down the streets.

Preflop is FINE, if he is (as i expect) fairly nitty then he has 4 hands here, sometimes 5, nearly never 6.  The number of times solid nitty players re-raise 1010 preflop @ 200nl is pretty much obsolete compared to the rest of their range, id guess less than 5% of the time. But in this spot at this level you should be extremely wary and bear in mind this is where you lose a lot of $ in the long run. Dont start thinking this is a fist-pump shove.


On the flop i check raise a lot (to protect our hand if its ahead (stop A/K dropping on 4th)) which also lets us know if we are winning. If he calls the cr you are dead. Period. Think if a hand ur beating that he calls a check-raise with. This is the world of multitabling low-stakes NL and he wont be thinking on a high enough level to try and outplay you now without a hand. JJ is the ONLY hand you are beating v this guy. Shut down and c/f turn a lot.

Check calling flop can be a nice alternative versus a lot of players, ones that dont fire the second barrel/are good aggro players, but out of position it wouldnt be my default. I only like this if you have good enough feel to c/f turn if you know ur beat.

Check calling flop, turn and river bets is something you should only do against true lags.

[GlasgowBandit]

Some really good replys on this thread.  I think Lloyd has given a well thought our answer. 

I don't really much to say other than that I think I go broke here because I'm not passing QQ, I know i should have been in situation both in cash when I know the right move is to pass either pre or on a low flop but simply not good dnough to pass it. 

[alexross]

in this spot i can shove pre, or 4bet all in on flop everytime
you still have fold equity after he bets 40 if u jam I think (he'll certainly pass 77-99) - maybe he isn't respecting your cbet and thinks he can push you around.. perhaps he has have ak, in which case you are in good shape if he does call a shove.. if he has TT KK AA, and he calls you can still suckout. If not, you reload, and nh him imo.

[AlexMartin]

in this spot i can shove pre, or 4bet all in on flop everytime
you still have fold equity after he bets 40 if u jam I think (he'll certainly pass 77-99) - maybe he isn't respecting your cbet and thinks he can push you around.. perhaps he has have ak, in which case you are in good shape if he does call a shove.. if he has TT KK AA, and he calls you can still suckout. If not, you reload, and nh him imo.

how did i let you own me so damn hard the other night? Rematch later, 4am please. Ill be on all 2/4ipoker tables. Lets get the table tilting

[alexross]

AlexMartin, shout me on msn for a game (u got me on there) and I'll pwn u faster than superman folds sheets.