Approximately the worst card hits the turn, what now?

[MC]

Picked this from the multitude of turbo stts i've played this week. Tricky spot. It's in the first level so i guess it matters not that it's a turbo

Don't know anything about my opponent, except this is a €20 turbo so he's probably a donkey.



***** Hand 1241997468 *****
15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:23:18 PM
Fast & Furious €15k (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: tinquen (1365.00)
Seat 2: Atkinator- (1485.00)
Seat 3: Dr_Rock (1500.00)
Seat 4: kvorum (1470.00)
Seat 5: klara24111 (1500.00)
Seat 6: donnete (1470.00)
Seat 7: PiCorreia (1500.00)
Seat 8: SoSickFish (1710.00)
Seat 9: BarvyMAN1 (1500.00)
Seat 10: hugoboss10 (1500.00)
kvorum post SB 15.00
klara24111 post BB 30.00
** Deal **
tinquen [N/A, N/A]
Atkinator- [, ]
Dr_Rock [N/A, N/A]
kvorum [N/A, N/A]
klara24111 [N/A, N/A]
donnete [N/A, N/A]
PiCorreia [N/A, N/A]
SoSickFish [N/A, N/A]
BarvyMAN1 [N/A, N/A]
hugoboss10 [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
donnete Fold
PiCorreia Fold
SoSickFish Fold
BarvyMAN1 Fold
hugoboss10 Call 30.00
tinquen Call 30.00
Atkinator- Call 30.00
Dr_Rock Fold
kvorum Fold
klara24111 Check
*** Flop(Board): *** : [, , ]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
klara24111 Check
hugoboss10 Check
tinquen Bet 120.00
Atkinator- Raise to 300.00
klara24111 Fold
hugoboss10 Fold
tinquen Call 300.00
*** Turn(Board): *** : [, , , ]
*** Bet Round 3 ***
tinquen Bet 210.00

[action man]

my instant reaction is he has QK/QJ here probably with one club, if he lead with KJ id expect him to 3bet your raise. same with flush.

[Longy]

A lot of stt players will tell you to fold pre here, i don't mind calling though.

I think i would make it a bit more on the flop (assuming you made it 300 total and it is not some weird hh thing, where you actually made it 420) on a wet board , also it sets up stacks so i can shove the turn.

The turn is really nasty spot as every sodding draw apart from j9 got there, I will be honest im not sure what i would do, lol that was helpful of me.

[thetank]

In your particular spot, I would shove it all in and analyze it next week. 

[MC]

I think i would make it a bit more on the flop (assuming you made it 300 total and it is not some weird hh thing, where you actually made it 420) on a wet board , also it sets up stacks so i can shove the turn.

Yeah I agree with this...think it was a victim of multitabling...counter was nearly out and that's like the first button I pressed.

I really don't tend to splash around preflop in these things, but a call behind and I'm in position and I'm not falling in love with a Q high board if it comes...well except one like this lol

Hehe you're probably right tank

[Charlie44]

I am really struggling to find a hand which fits the betting .

He could have something like Ac8c but would he have really bet the flop with a draw, three other players still in and where a few people are likely to have hit or good draws. Poss he has something like Q but isn't he raising pre flop ?

The only hand imo which fully fits the betting is KcJc, where his draws probably makes him favourite on the flop and he doesnt want to loose his customers on the turn. Is this too unlikely to consider ?

More likely he's a donkey and I haven't got a clue what he has !

Imo you cant fold here for 210 into 735 pot . So just call and see what comes on the turn.

[MC]

Imo you cant fold here for 210 into 735 pot . So just call and see what comes on the turn.

Obviously you mean the river. But what card are we hoping for if we flat call? Other than a Q or T obviously. 4 to a straight or 4 to a flush pretty likely to hit the river...

[Charlie44]

Imo you cant fold here for 210 into 735 pot . So just call and see what comes on the turn.

Obviously you mean the river. But what card are we hoping for if we flat call? Other than a Q or T obviously. 4 to a straight or 4 to a flush pretty likely to hit the river...

 Ye sorry the river. I take the point - think its one of the hands where its difficult to know where you're at. I just think it's wrong to fold when you've got 3.5 -1. Perhaps just hope for a blank and see what he bets on the river. If he checks I'm definitely checking behind him.

[MC]

Ye sorry the river. I take the point - think its one of the hands where its difficult to know where you're at. I just think it's wrong to fold when you've got 3.5 -1. Perhaps just hope for a blank and see what he bets on the river. If he checks I'm definitely checking behind him.

Fair play sir, perhaps a call is the correct play...

Anyone else calling, raising or shoving?

[LuckyLloyd]

Again, I don't like how you get to this spot. I would NEVER limp behind two people with that hand when playing 50BBs. If you want to play the hand RAISE - for if the button folds you will get to play the hand in position. But really, folding here should be your default thought.

On the flop, you really want to play this fast and try and put money in. Slowplaying or keeping people around is really bad on a board that is this draw heavy. Remember, it is not just because they may be drawing and dog you on the turn or river - if a draw completes the turn or river then it may scare them off from paying you with a weaker hand!

So I'd raise it to 450. As played, I'm with Longy - I'm calling and have no idea what I'll do on the river. Again, it is worth remembering that the more co - ordinated a board gets the more polarized people's ranges for betting become (i.e. it becomes more likely that they have the nuts or close to it - or are bluffing).

[AlexMartin]

call, river ip will not be too tricky a situation. dont like shoving.

[MC]

But really, folding here should be your default thought.

It is my default man. 4 times out of 5, I pass. But you have to mix it up a little. But I appreciate your thoughts. Also playing 7 at a time I'm not going to make the right decisions at each juncture.

I guess trying to bring the 3rd guy in on the flop was unnecessary here.

Calling does seem to make more sense, I just thought he was doing one of those blocker style bets to get to see a cheap club on the river. Here's the remainder:


*** Turn(Board): *** : [10c, , , ]
*** Bet Round 3 ***
tinquen Bet 210.00
Atkinator- All-in 1155.00
tinquen All-in 1035.00
*** River(Board): *** : [, , , , ]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 2805.00
tinquen [, ] Flush to the king Win: 2805.00
Atkinator- [, ] Two pair queens and tens Win: 0.00
Dr_Rock Fold Win: 0.00
kvorum Fold Win: 0.00
klara24111 Fold Win: 0.00
donnete Fold Win: 0.00
PiCorreia Fold Win: 0.00
SoSickFish Fold Win: 0.00