Hand analysis please

[ACE2M]

Any of you pros wish to run your eye over this? It is in another thread and i personally don't think i would play it any other way.

People have questioned why i called from the sb and someone agreed with his play. I personally was playing that if an A,9, 10 or J failed to hit the turn i was moving in. I had been on the table with him earlier and didn't think he had a trap call in him so i was confident i was in front. Ignoring this, would you have slowed down after getting called and probably get pushed off the hand to a raise?


-----HAND 5------
Game #1316043993: Hold'em NL (150/300) - 2005/11/13 - 22:52:46 (UK)
Table "Tourney 1379316 - 1" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Ak_hotrob (6625.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Tomfitz (5665 in chips)
Seat 3: Twism (13245 in chips)
Seat 4: Tommyk1 (4927.50 in chips)
Seat 5: MART2002 (11020 in chips)
Seat 6: Bulldo006 (6720 in chips)
Seat 7: hoping (3974 in chips)
Seat 8: bellybutt (3785 in chips)
Seat 9: Blue0105 (3522.50 in chips)
Seat 10: Silverfal (3470 in chips)
Tommyk1: posts the ante 25
MART2002: posts the ante 25
Bulldo006: posts the ante 25
hoping: posts the ante 25
bellybutt: posts the ante 25
Blue0105: posts the ante 25
Silverfal: posts the ante 25
Ak_hotrob: posts the ante 25
Tomfitz: posts the ante 25
Twism: posts the ante 25
Tommyk1: posts small blind 150
MART2002: posts big blind 300
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Tommyk1 [ ]
Bulldo006: folds
hoping: folds
bellybutt: folds
Blue0105: folds
Silverfal: folds
Ak_hotrob: folds
Tomfitz: calls 300
Twism: calls 300
Tommyk1: calls 150
MART2002: checks
----- FLOP ----- [ ]
Tommyk1: checks
MART2002: checks
Tomfitz: checks
Twism: bets 300
Tommyk1: raises to 1200
MART2002: calls 1200
Tomfitz: folds
Twism: folds
----- TURN ----- [ ][ ]
Tommyk1: bets 3402.50 and is all-in
MART2002: calls 3402.50
----- RIVER ----- [ ][ ]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Tommyk1: shows [ ] (Two Pairs, Queens and Sevens, Jack high)
MART2002: shows [  ] (Four of a kind, Sevens, Queen high)
MART2002 collected 10955 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 10955 Main pot 10955 Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Ak_hotrob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Tomfitz folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Twism (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Tommyk1 (small blind) lost
Seat 5: MART2002 (big blind) showed [  ] and won (10955) with Four of a kind, Sevens, Queen high
Seat 6: Bulldo006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: hoping folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bellybutt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Blue0105 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Silverfal folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[snoopy1239]

Getting a hand like this paid off is hard work and often not worth the risk. I’d have bet the flop and hoped that some1 with top pair was willing to reraise.

Considering you trapped on the flop, I would have reraised his bet on the turn.

[redsimon]

Flop two pair and some nutter calls with two outs.Just bad luck I guess. Not even Mystic Meg could think the 7 on turn helped him!

PS

I'm an enthuiastic amateur not a pro...

[thetank]

Not a huge fan of the call pre-flop, yes you've odds off over 8-1 but cheap can be very expensive.

(Not this hand that was just some online nutter doing nutty stuff and getting lucky.)

It's the times when you lose your stack to QJ or AQ, KQ when the board pairs that makes this hand not worth even half a big blind before the flop.

Post flop there's nothing wrong with your play, just a bad beat. You shouldn't have been in the hand in the first place though in my opinion.

[ACE2M]

You shouldn't have been in the hand in the first place though in my opinion.

I am amzazed by this, i have got into good positions by flopping 2 pairs starting with rags so many times that i think it is an automatic call. I also don't think the bb will raise pre flop although i wish he had. Miss the flop and you dump it to a raise. You will almost always get a raiser when you have checked. Wish the button thief had tried a bit harder with his steal and i could have pushed there and then. Nutter would prob have called anyway.

[thetank]

If you do decide to keep track of your sb calls ace then let us know how things turn out.

 

[Bongo]

Maybe the nutter thought the button was stealing and you were restealling so called to see what will happen on the turn:

If a 7 hits he is most likely ahead.
If he doesn't hit he may still be ahead and could be planning to make a move on your hand if you check.

[snoopy1239]

You shouldn't have been in the hand in the first place though in my opinion.

I am amzazed by this, i have got into good positions by flopping 2 pairs starting with rags so many times that i think it is an automatic call. I also don't think the bb will raise pre flop although i wish he had. Miss the flop and you dump it to a raise. You will almost always get a raiser when you have checked. Wish the button thief had tried a bit harder with his steal and i could have pushed there and then. Nutter would prob have called anyway.

I can't remember the exact odds of flopping 2 pair, but isn't it over 30-1. You only have 8-1, and even if you hit a hand like that, you can still be easily outdrawn for al your chips.

[ifm]

enlightening stuff this, i have never really thought of it before though i have never been very defensive over my blinds unlike some folks.
Now i'll make it a point to pass the rubbish!!

[thetank]

I can't remember the exact odds of flopping 2 pair, but isn't it over 30-1. You only have 8-1, and even if you hit a hand like that, you can still be easily outdrawn for al your chips.

He has more than 8-1 when you factor in implied odds.

[snoopy1239]

I can't remember the exact odds of flopping 2 pair, but isn't it over 30-1. You only have 8-1, and even if you hit a hand like that, you can still be easily outdrawn for al your chips.

He has more than 8-1 when you factor in implied odds.

true.

I'm never sure how to deal with implied odds though. I would say that it's difficult to take them into account unless you're drawing to the nuts.

[thetank]

When playing limit poker I used to ignore them.
My reason for doing so was the extra bet I would gain when I hit my flush for example, I'd factor against the extra two bets i'd lose when I hit but lose to a full house. That and there's no guarantee you'll get paid off.
It's more of a factor in big bet poker, but I can't play that properly so I still ignore them (along with most other things, I'm all-in)

[snoopy1239]

You know, for a tank, you ain't half diddy. 

[redsimon]

Hmm, my sb is the worst money maker (actually loser) on my stats. Surprisingly button is biggest winner

[ACE2M]

Whilst not wishing to admit i was wrong I decided not to make the blinds up with less than marginal hands in the three tournaments i played last night.... I made the final table in all 3, purely coincidence i'm sure. Made up the blinds once with J8os and flopped a set of 8's only for him to river his full house with Aces and extract 2/3 of my stack. Thanks for the advice