since when has a checkraise meant 2 pair+? seriously we should be bluffing here a chunk of the time and playing a lot of draws like this too.
I'd further that a bit. I think the important thing is to make sure that checkraising and leading don't correspond to different hand strengths. You can't be checkraising two pair + and bet, 3 betting draws; or bet 3 betting 2 pair + and checkraising draws. A check raise is good here if you do show up with draws / top pair (or more importantly are thought capable of showing up with such hands). But if you would normally lead such holdings, then you need to be leading this flop.
There's nothing groundbreaking in me repeating that idea though of course.
The 2nd day has just started in a £350 comp. Nobody at the table is under any real pressure to make moves. UTG is a complete unknown. You don't know what his flop bet means, it could be anything. The big stack who's got double your chips raises unknown UTG. He is a good player. You read him as strong. He has shown strong hands. You don't think he's bluffing. There are 2 players to act behind you. With this evidence before you who would really raise 32k out of 85k with 1 pair or a draw? In theory & from the keyboard you can do this easily. But actually sitting at the table that's gonna be a big big risky & perhaps reckless move...and the majority of people just wont be doing that. If we agree with that assumption...and it's very difficult not to imo...the fact that villain has never played hero before leads villain to conclude hero is one of the many who just wont make that move with such hands. So if you agree with Lloyd here about balancing, which I do, it means in this specific scenario the c-raise has even less credibility.
If we do this with air, do we not do it with the made hand?
I still think re raising is the correct course of action but would make it smaller to induce
Nah dude, I never said that. I said this....
George, I would only raise to take the pot down on the flop...cos I reckon raising should take the pot down.While I was one of the guys who said I
reckon raising the flop takes it down....what I reckon sitting here is very different to what we do in reality. And as such I have proved my own point...I think. I'm never making that move with air really....and that's why I'm not c-raising with 2 pair.
so basically whenever you offer advice on this board it's different to what you would actually do??
You've lost me now. My advice was to call not raise. That was my advice and that is what I would actually do. One of the reasons I wouldn't raise is because I reckon villain folds if I do. Another reason is to balance the way I play hands. Thinking villain could fold if you raise doesn't mean you MUST raise with air based solely on that one hunch. I prob raise with bottom two in this type of situation...hence "I would only raise to take the pot down". Not sure how that translates to whenever I offer advice on this board it's not what I'd actually do?
I reckon climbing Everest would be a great achievement...but I'm not going to do it myself. Do I need to climb Everest to hold that opinion?
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