A(nother) good reason not to tip

[bolt pp]

I would agree if the individual was being named, after all he has no right of reply unless he happens across the forum and the thread.

but if a poster is talking about a situation where unnamed person has done such and such and the poster writes on a subject, I think its fine. In such situations I don't think the poster is "running his mouth"

It was just this bit i was talking about really........

I bit my lip to avoid an argument, but was pretty disgusted

translates as: "shit myself from saying anything but couldnt wait to get on the internet to moan about it"

translates as: "shit myself from saying anything but couldnt wait to get on the internet to moan about it"

I don't think most people on here would translate it like that.

lol EXACTLY!!!!!!!

I may be a bit dim, (Strike that, I am a bit dim) but I don't see the point you are making

i cant really be arsed to explain it so lets just say i'm mixing it up a bit from "lol ok"

i cant really be arsed to explain it so lets just say i'm mixing it up a bit from "lol ok"

Anyone fancy taking a stab at translating this..... ?

lol ok

[phatomch]

when tips came legal in casinos back in sept 07 alot of the casino chains  decided that as the staff would be getting tips they would no longer be giving a annual increase in salary, this could have a impact on the dealers actions.

I AM NOT SAYING HE WAS RIGHT OR WRONG.

[kinboshi]

Jamie, do you have any colleagues that act stupidly sometimes?

*Bites lip* lol

Ahh my apologies, the person I was thinking of doesn't work for Blue Square.

The other thread I mentioned was where people were knocking Dave Smith for not tipping. There are a number of reasons why some people may decide not to tip. I personally couldn't not tip unless I was really peeved at something but I wouldn't necessarily disagree with instances where people don't.

Cos, you have to win before you Tip.

Oh shit yeh, problem sorted then.

I heard when Kinboshi won his APAT tournament he was waiting at the cash desk and asked a Valet who was walking by to make him a tuna sandwich & a ham and cheese sandwich and bring them to him with a couple of pieces of kitchen roll. He'd just finished counting, collecting and signing for his money when she comes to him with said food. He hasn't left his tip yet but stuffs cash into his pocket and whilst she is still holding the plate he wraps the sandwiches in the kitchen roll, and walks straight to his car and drives home. So he didn't tip or pay for some food at services.

He did muster a thanks to the valet though.

Hehe - I got a cheque

[StuartHopkin]

Can someone explain to me why a tip is expected?

hi m8

i was  typing into google :"why is a tip important"  when i got as far as: "why is a t" google populated a list of possibilites and i picked this one instead:


http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=why+is+a+tie+in+tic+tac+toe+called+cat&meta=&aq=3&oq=why+is+a+ti

hope this helps

Didnt really answer my question boltypoo but I can now thank you for teaching the correct terminoligy for a tie at tic tac toe.

10p<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<bolts tip to show my appreciation

[relaedgc]

First and foremost, the Empire casino card room pool their tips purely between the poker room so they are reliant upon the generosity of players without additional supplementation of tips from the gaming outside. This arrangement is different to how it is for me, and I can safely say that the dealers of roulette and blackjack are making more tip wise.

Generally, dealers are paid poor wages, work anti social hours and long shifts. And all through that is listening to nine miserable poxy people complain about no cards, bad beats and everything else you can think of. While I maintain a positive attitude to my career, there are definitely very few decent people in the game in comparison to the rude and obnoxious ones. You'd probably be very surprised to the number of angry, upset or outright distraught dealers in the staff room on any given life. Its a high stress job. Having to deal with people in our sort of environment always is.

Of course, people can find better work if they had a mind to. But understand that you will only find a select few people that will continue to bust their balls to no advantage. Their wage is guaranteed. Find a place with a decent wage and good base of tipping players against the opposite and we all know where the quality dealers will be.

When I started in the industry, tipping wasn't allowed. I didn't do private games or accept outside backhanders that both breached my license. If you tip me not a penny then I am honestly not prejudiced in any manner. Give me a table of shrewd, decent people over a group of well tipping rude players any day.

Unfortunately, people are all different. Some dealers will take back handers to cheat, though they always get caught eventually. Others accept private work ontop of their employment. A lesser evil, perhaps, but suggests an inclination to break the rules for financial gain. Rarely a good quality. This also means that some of them will not respect customer confidentiality, coupled with the growing attitude that tips are obligatory among newer staff in the industry it is not too hard to see why you see and hear the things you do.

Ultimately though, the answer is simple. Tip, or do not. You don't need a multiplicity of arguments on either side to help you decide whether to toss a £1 chip over towards the dealer.

This post was brought to you from a mobile phone at 6 30am in a dingy hotel in London. Work is in 7 hours. Better sleep.

[phatomch]

great post

[Jon MW]

I had some arguments lined up comparing dealing to loads of jobs which are just as bad where people don't get tipped, and loads of jobs where they do - i.e. it's all pretty random.

but

...

Ultimately though, the answer is simple. Tip, or do not. You don't need a multiplicity of arguments on either side to help you decide whether to toss a £1 chip over towards the dealer.
....

I think really covers it, if you believe one way or the other that you should or you shouldn't then you should stick to it. What other people think shouldn't really come into it.

[Jamier-Host]

I had some arguments lined up comparing dealing to loads of jobs which are just as bad where people don't get tipped, and loads of jobs where they do - i.e. it's all pretty random.

but

...

Ultimately though, the answer is simple. Tip, or do not. You don't need a multiplicity of arguments on either side to help you decide whether to toss a £1 chip over towards the dealer.
....

I think really covers it, if you believe one way or the other that you should or you shouldn't then you should stick to it. What other people think shouldn't really come into it.

Agreed.

Title should probably have just been something like "Tipping Confidentiality" as opposed to the more inflammatory choice.  I didn't mean to make a case for people not to tip if they want to.  Each to their own.

Sorry.

[Geo the Sarge]

Personally I took the post as Jamie being more peed off about the dealer naming and shaming the player who took the option - which is his right - not to tip. Rather than a don't tip post.

The title, as Jamie has said, probs wasn't the best he could use but probably applies to this dealer.

Geo

[relaedgc]

No arguments there. Such things ought not be disclosed at all.