Pocket Kings (again)

[EvilPie]

Why do people want to raise so much pre? Are we hoping to make everyone fold or something?

We've got a beautiful pair of kings and we're only sat 100bbs deep so I prefer to keep oppos interested.

If we go £25 or even £30 then we are telling oppo's that they are set mining. We aren't giving them the odds to do this so if they are any good we've just driven them out of the pot.

£17 seems good to me. Possibly a little bit more but only £20 max. Get an extra £10 out of each one and hope one of them catches a bit of the flop and pays you off.

Don't pass though. Ever. Especially not with this action. Shover can easily have AQ here or a flush draw + gut shot so you are often ahead.

Raising more probably still gets us a caller with the random trash that live cash players love to play. And once the flop comes down the bigger pot makes it easier to get the money in the middlle.

Are you seriously suggesting in that post that we should be giving people set mining odds against us and then never fold the flop?

I'd rather give set mining odds than scare everyone off.

Are you seriously suggesting with your £30 raise that we should only be offering people 4 to 1 if they want to see a flop?

We've got to get a balance here. We want people coming along with worse hands/ I don't mind giving some 8 to 1 to set mine if that's what he wants to do.

Also by raising a bit smaller we might induce a shove out of AQ, AK maybe 1010, JJ or QQ. If it's that sort of game where people are playing shit hands I'll happily shove a 100 bb stack in with a middle pair because I know that it's probably ahead.

[Blatch]

Why do people want to raise so much pre? Are we hoping to make everyone fold or something?

We've got a beautiful pair of kings and we're only sat 100bbs deep so I prefer to keep oppos interested.

If we go £25 or even £30 then we are telling oppo's that they are set mining. We aren't giving them the odds to do this so if they are any good we've just driven them out of the pot.

£17 seems good to me. Possibly a little bit more but only £20 max. Get an extra £10 out of each one and hope one of them catches a bit of the flop and pays you off.

Don't pass though. Ever. Especially not with this action. Shover can easily have AQ here or a flush draw + gut shot so you are often ahead.

Were playing 50p/£1 at gala live.

[GreekStein]

Why do people want to raise so much pre? Are we hoping to make everyone fold or something?

We've got a beautiful pair of kings and we're only sat 100bbs deep so I prefer to keep oppos interested.

If we go £25 or even £30 then we are telling oppo's that they are set mining. We aren't giving them the odds to do this so if they are any good we've just driven them out of the pot.

£17 seems good to me. Possibly a little bit more but only £20 max. Get an extra £10 out of each one and hope one of them catches a bit of the flop and pays you off.

Don't pass though. Ever. Especially not with this action. Shover can easily have AQ here or a flush draw + gut shot so you are often ahead.

Raising more probably still gets us a caller with the random trash that live cash players love to play. And once the flop comes down the bigger pot makes it easier to get the money in the middlle.

Are you seriously suggesting in that post that we should be giving people set mining odds against us and then never fold the flop?

I'd rather give set mining odds than scare everyone off.

Are you seriously suggesting with your £30 raise that we should only be offering people 4 to 1 if they want to see a flop?

We've got to get a balance here. We want people coming along with worse hands/ I don't mind giving some 8 to 1 to set mine if that's what he wants to do.

Also by raising a bit smaller we might induce a shove out of AQ, AK maybe 1010, JJ or QQ. If it's that sort of game where people are playing shit hands I'll happily shove a 100 bb stack in with a middle pair because I know that it's probably ahead.

Matt !!!!!

This is a live £.50/1 game. I've moved in in spots like this and got called from stuff like 44 and A9. I think the reraise size at 25-30. We're getting more in the pot now and going to commit oppo or oppos on a lot of boards.

They will not fold once they've put £7 in the pot live.

If we make it just £17 we put our hand face up OOP and villains will still have plenty of fold equity when they catch pieces of the board and we make a bet to commit them for stacks.

[Cottonbud]

This is a call for sure, snap call! his range is like AQ/KQ(Unlikely as you have a King blocker)/QJ/FDs/Pairs+SD. Also you shouldn't play in a game your scared money in, you will get bullied constantly by the better players.

[EvilPie]

Matt !!!!!

This is a live £.50/1 game. I've moved in in spots like this and got called from stuff like 44 and A9. I think the reraise size at 25-30. We're getting more in the pot now and going to commit oppo or oppos on a lot of boards.

If that's the case we might as well shove.

They will not fold once they've put £7 in the pot live.

Same as above really. We've had this before when discussing a hand involving Vargas at DTD. It's about finding the balance. If we know 100% that oppo will call £30 then £30 is brilliant. If we can get away with more make it more.

If we make it just £17 we put our hand face up OOP and villains will still have plenty of fold equity when they catch pieces of the board and we make a bet to commit them for stacks.

Why is our hand face up?

How can villain have fold equity if we make a bet to commit? That doesn't make sense.

If villain think he has fold equity then surely it's a good thing if we think we're ahead? We bet, he shoves his draw as a semi bluff and we snap his arms off.

[GreekStein]

Matt !!!!!

This is a live £.50/1 game. I've moved in in spots like this and got called from stuff like 44 and A9. I think the reraise size at 25-30. We're getting more in the pot now and going to commit oppo or oppos on a lot of boards.

If that's the case we might as well shove.

They will not fold once they've put £7 in the pot live.

Same as above really. We've had this before when discussing a hand involving Vargas at DTD. It's about finding the balance. If we know 100% that oppo will call £30 then £30 is brilliant. If we can get away with more make it more.

If we make it just £17 we put our hand face up OOP and villains will still have plenty of fold equity when they catch pieces of the board and we make a bet to commit them for stacks.

Why is our hand face up?

How can villain have fold equity if we make a bet to commit? That doesn't make sense.

If villain think he has fold equity then surely it's a good thing if we think we're ahead? We bet, he shoves his draw as a semi bluff and we snap his arms off.

 - They won't defend their £7 for their whole stack but with 2 callers I doubt both are folding when we make it 30, hence why I prefer this option, either getting one call and playing it heads up or getting 2 callers and leaving just under a pot sized bet for us to bash in on the flop.

- I think if we're gonna make it £17 OOP & MULTIWAY we're probably better off flatting pre though obv flatting<<<<<<<<<<raising here.

- What I meant with the other bit was let's say both villains defend when we make it £17. The flop comes Q 10 4 and we lead for £35, I think both are capable of folding their J10 type hands whereas when we make it £30 and there is jooooooooooce in the pot they are putting the money in and reaching to their pocket for a reload. At £17 with 83 back they can fold when they catch pieces.

Basically I like raising more in live cash because I think it's a much better way of exploiting bad live players who never play a hand with a plan.