kk deep

[piestack]

standard call??

6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: UTG ($798.30 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG +1 ($531 in chips)
Seat 3: Villain ($1062.60 in chips)
Seat 4: BTN ($378.90 in chips)
Seat 5: SB ($807.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($1340.80 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $2
Hero: posts big blind $4
UTG: posts the ante $0.80
UTG +1: posts the ante $0.80
Villain: posts the ante $0.80
BTN: posts the ante $0.80
SB: posts the ante $0.80
Hero: posts the ante $0.80

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [ ]
UTG: raises $8 to $12
UTG +1: folds
Villain: raises $24 to $36
BTN: folds
SB: folds
Hero: raises $89 to $125
UTG: calls $113
Villain: raises $163 to $288
Hero: calls $163
UTG: folds

pot~700
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Hero: checks
Villain: bets $773.80 and is all-in
Hero: calls $773.80

[marcin123]

fold the flop... he has aces here 99% of the time... unless he is really spewy therefore call...

[AlexMartin]

stats/read/history?

[piestack]

no history, not many hands, maybe 200, stats were about 25/20 3bet~8%
nothing retarded of note in those hands.

[AlexMartin]

wp, chalk it up, snap.

[paulhouk03]

Call
I think folding here is terrible

[DMorgan]

Hero should be all in pre, and be snapping off this shove

If you ran into AA, unlucky. Still never folding.

[titaniumbean]

Shove pre.

This, there are anteeeeeeeeeees

[desperadogm]

so u flat many hands OOP to a 5 bet vs this guy? - looks like ur playing the krantz style, i mean just how polarised are u trying to make ur shoving range here or how wide of a 5bet OOP flatting range do u think u can rep. Just ship it pre and profit in the longrun.
As played i find the fold button on the flop.

[DMorgan]

Just ship it pre and profit in the longrun.
As played i find the fold button on the flop.

Theres no way that you can justify shoving preflop...but folding this flop. How much does this flop improve his 5bet hand range?

If anything this is a much bigger snapcall on the flop than it is a shove pre. There are now $1473 out there and its $774 to call so you only need 34.5% equity to make this a good call. Even if you take his range down to AA, the other two kings and QQ we have 51% equity.

Against what is a more realistic range imo, we're 65%
AA,KdKs,QQ,JcJs,TT-99,AdKd,AdQd,KdQd

[desperadogm]

nope, relative ranges are vastly different preflop than they are on the flop- esp since we give away so much about our hand. shoving pre also has benefits for balancing a nice overall preflop game, flatting the 5bet here seems awfull with nearly any hand and easy to play optimally against.

[titaniumbean]

Just ship it pre and profit in the longrun.
As played i find the fold button on the flop.

Theres no way that you can justify shoving preflop...but folding this flop. How much does this flop improve his 5bet hand range?

If anything this is a much bigger snapcall on the flop than it is a shove pre. There are now $1473 out there and its $774 to call so you only need 34.5% equity to make this a good call. Even if you take his range down to AA, the other two kings and QQ we have 51% equity.

Against what is a more realistic range imo, we're 65%
AA,KdKs,QQ,JcJs,TT-99,AdKd,AdQd,KdQd

What the hell?


The antes being in play should greatly affect people's play. Shove pre all day.

[titaniumbean]

fix it for me then pls thx. I was only trying to refer to the fact that KK is a good hand pre even more so because of the antes. It's not like we've been given a read saying hes the biggest nit ever and he thinks he's in a 10 handed game.

[DMorgan]

What I meant was that you can't advocate shoving preflop if you're going to say that folding this flop is a good play

[titaniumbean]

What I meant was that you can't advocate shoving preflop if you're going to say that folding this flop is a good play

ah furry muff my post comprehension must be abysmally low this week. :-)