Celebration of life or just bad taste?

[Woodsey]

Isn't it similar to the way the public's focus and media reports concentrate on the deaths of British troops in say Afghanistan - rather than the deaths of those from other countries - most noticeably, Afghanistan? 

Not really, we live in England not Israel..............

[kinboshi]

Isn't it similar to the way the public's focus and media reports concentrate on the deaths of British troops in say Afghanistan - rather than the deaths of those from other countries - most noticeably, Afghanistan? 

Not really, we live in England not Israel..............

The Jews who were being murdered during WWII were from Germany and Poland (and other countries).  It was a war that Britain was immersed in, and so is obviously central to our modern history.  The war against Germany was taking place in Europe, here in the UK.

You mentioned the genocide in Cambodia - as it's a place you've been.  Therefore it quite rightly is at the centre of your conciousness. However, the genocide in Rwanda is probably far less so.  I studied Japan and Japanese at uni, and lived there for a while.  The atrocities carried out by the Japanese in China and elsewhere, and the (in my opinion, unnecessary) hundreds of thousands killed by the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are probably more relevant to me than to many others in the UK and the rest of Europe. 

Surely that's the reason the holocaust is spoken about more and remembered more across Europe than the killing fields of Cambodia?  I don't think it's due to Jewish communities forcing it to the forefront of any agenda.

[Woodsey]

Isn't it similar to the way the public's focus and media reports concentrate on the deaths of British troops in say Afghanistan - rather than the deaths of those from other countries - most noticeably, Afghanistan? 

Not really, we live in England not Israel..............

The Jews who were being murdered during WWII were from Germany and Poland (and other countries).  It was a war that Britain was immersed in, and so is obviously central to our modern history.  The war against Germany was taking place in Europe, here in the UK.

You mentioned the genocide in Cambodia - as it's a place you've been.  Therefore it quite rightly is at the centre of your conciousness. However, the genocide in Rwanda is probably far less so.  I studied Japan and Japanese at uni, and lived there for a while.  The atrocities carried out by the Japanese in China and elsewhere, and the (in my opinion, unnecessary) hundreds of thousands killed by the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are probably more relevant to me than to many others in the UK and the rest of Europe. 

Surely that's the reason the holocaust is spoken about more and remembered more across Europe than the killing fields of Cambodia?  I don't think it's due to Jewish communities forcing it to the forefront of any agenda.

I've seen it in a few places including South Africa, Zimbawbe, Namibia and Cambo. OK maybe not technically genocide in all those places but the same murdering shit and I don't separate them tbh. I do think it is in part down to the presence of high profile Jewish figures in the west, I know you don't agree but hey ho, can't agree about everything. I'm not saying the holocaust isn't deserving of attention, it obv is, but gets too much at the cost of others imo. Peace out..........

[boldie]

[ ] discussions in which the Holocaust is compared to other genocides end well.

[Woodsey]

[ ] discussions in which the Holocaust is compared to other genocides end well.

LOL, its amazing how tilted up people get about it tbh...........

[Woodsey]

I talk BS on a couple of other non gambling forums. The one subject that seem to tilt the life out of people more than any other is Tattoo's, its just like marmite innit...........

[Jon MW]

Isn't it similar to the way the public's focus and media reports concentrate on the deaths of British troops in say Afghanistan - rather than the deaths of those from other countries - most noticeably, Afghanistan? 

Not really, we live in England not Israel..............

The Jews who were being murdered during WWII were from Germany and Poland (and other countries).  It was a war that Britain was immersed in, and so is obviously central to our modern history.  The war against Germany was taking place in Europe, here in the UK.

You mentioned the genocide in Cambodia - as it's a place you've been.  Therefore it quite rightly is at the centre of your conciousness. However, the genocide in Rwanda is probably far less so.  I studied Japan and Japanese at uni, and lived there for a while.  The atrocities carried out by the Japanese in China and elsewhere, and the (in my opinion, unnecessary) hundreds of thousands killed by the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are probably more relevant to me than to many others in the UK and the rest of Europe. 

Surely that's the reason the holocaust is spoken about more and remembered more across Europe than the killing fields of Cambodia?  I don't think it's due to Jewish communities forcing it to the forefront of any agenda.

I've seen it in a few places including South Africa, Zimbawbe, Namibia and Cambo. OK maybe not technically genocide in all those places but the same murdering shit and I don't separate them tbh. I do think it is in part down to the presence of high profile Jewish figures in the west, I know you don't agree but hey ho, can't agree about everything. I'm not saying the holocaust isn't deserving of attention, it obv is, but gets too much at the cost of others imo. Peace out..........

There isn't technically a limited amount of attention that one issue can have, even if the holocaust gets greater coverage only because of high profile Jewish figures in the West - so what?

If it didn't receive that coverage, it wouldn't mean more coverage for those other issues, it would just mean that the Holocaust was ignored just as much as the other genocides  - that wouldn't be better, would it?

[Woodsey]

Isn't it similar to the way the public's focus and media reports concentrate on the deaths of British troops in say Afghanistan - rather than the deaths of those from other countries - most noticeably, Afghanistan?  

Not really, we live in England not Israel..............

The Jews who were being murdered during WWII were from Germany and Poland (and other countries).  It was a war that Britain was immersed in, and so is obviously central to our modern history.  The war against Germany was taking place in Europe, here in the UK.

You mentioned the genocide in Cambodia - as it's a place you've been.  Therefore it quite rightly is at the centre of your conciousness. However, the genocide in Rwanda is probably far less so.  I studied Japan and Japanese at uni, and lived there for a while.  The atrocities carried out by the Japanese in China and elsewhere, and the (in my opinion, unnecessary) hundreds of thousands killed by the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are probably more relevant to me than to many others in the UK and the rest of Europe.  

Surely that's the reason the holocaust is spoken about more and remembered more across Europe than the killing fields of Cambodia?  I don't think it's due to Jewish communities forcing it to the forefront of any agenda.

I've seen it in a few places including South Africa, Zimbawbe, Namibia and Cambo. OK maybe not technically genocide in all those places but the same murdering shit and I don't separate them tbh. I do think it is in part down to the presence of high profile Jewish figures in the west, I know you don't agree but hey ho, can't agree about everything. I'm not saying the holocaust isn't deserving of attention, it obv is, but gets too much at the cost of others imo. Peace out..........

There isn't technically a limited amount of attention that one issue can have, even if the holocaust gets greater coverage only because of high profile Jewish figures in the West - so what?

If it didn't receive that coverage, it wouldn't mean more coverage for those other issues, it would just mean that the Holocaust was ignored just as much as the other genocides  - that wouldn't be better, would it?

Fk knows mate, I'm done here now anyway...........

[Rod Paradise]

Was in a car crash with my mate, he was killed instantly, but I miraculously survived. Went to the funeral, managed to wrestle his body out of the open casket, and danced a little jig with him to 'Who let the dog's out?' while his family looked on in horror, bawling their eyes out. Don't know what got into them, it was his favourite tune, I had survived the accident against the odds and was celebrating this. His father was clearly upset but I explained to him that my intentions were pure, but he still punched me in the nose. Some people are on such a downer and need to cheer the f*** up.

I missed the bit in the video where they did they jitterbug with a skeleton during a rememberance service attended by families of the dead.

Actually I was making an analogy not a direct reference, if you look closely you'll see a bit in the youtube vid where they're pulling happy faces in a train used to pull the bodies of his (not so lucky) brethren to their horrific deaths followed by some ridiculous little dance outside the gates inside which millions of others died slowly and painfully.
Think 'taste', 'appropriateness', 'respectfulness' and 'dignity' and you'll be halfway to seeing what might be wrong with this vid beyond the initial appearance.
[] Me not having escaped the death camp like he did precludes me from commenting on the ridiculousness of his actions. [ ] Being a survivor of Auschwitz allows you to treat the feelings of the relatives of those who didn't with insensitivity.

I think you're being WAY too sensitive - I saw it more as a get it up you to the people that tried to wipe them out in that & other camps. They tried to kill the old boy & he's now celebrating his and his descendants' very existance.

They weren't dancing on others' graves FFS they were celebrating a small victory - as every survivor from those camps is a victory, and in the end, if people don't like it, thankfully they can't kill them for it.

IF they then posted the video to the relatives of some that didn't survive, then OK your argument about taste etc comes into play. They didn't though & instead the press have pressed the 'insult' button.

They've posted a controversial video on Youtube, I'm sure plenty of relatives of non-survivors will see it?

They will now the offended masses are on the case, doubt many would have if it hadn't been made so public.

[kinboshi]

Isn't it similar to the way the public's focus and media reports concentrate on the deaths of British troops in say Afghanistan - rather than the deaths of those from other countries - most noticeably, Afghanistan? 

Not really, we live in England not Israel..............

The Jews who were being murdered during WWII were from Germany and Poland (and other countries).  It was a war that Britain was immersed in, and so is obviously central to our modern history.  The war against Germany was taking place in Europe, here in the UK.

You mentioned the genocide in Cambodia - as it's a place you've been.  Therefore it quite rightly is at the centre of your conciousness. However, the genocide in Rwanda is probably far less so.  I studied Japan and Japanese at uni, and lived there for a while.  The atrocities carried out by the Japanese in China and elsewhere, and the (in my opinion, unnecessary) hundreds of thousands killed by the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are probably more relevant to me than to many others in the UK and the rest of Europe. 

Surely that's the reason the holocaust is spoken about more and remembered more across Europe than the killing fields of Cambodia?  I don't think it's due to Jewish communities forcing it to the forefront of any agenda.

I've seen it in a few places including South Africa, Zimbawbe, Namibia and Cambo. OK maybe not technically genocide in all those places but the same murdering shit and I don't separate them tbh. I do think it is in part down to the presence of high profile Jewish figures in the west, I know you don't agree but hey ho, can't agree about everything. I'm not saying the holocaust isn't deserving of attention, it obv is, but gets too much at the cost of others imo. Peace out..........

Does the holocaust get the same attention the genocide carried out by Pol Pot gets in say...Thailand?  Is the bombing of Dresden high on the main events of WWII to the Japanese?  Do the people of many other nations know much (or anything) about the Falklands War (other than the Brits and the Argies)?  We hear about the war in Afghanistan fairly frequently in the UK (in the media and therefore it's at the front of the public's perception), but we hear less about the war raging in Sudan.

I don't think it needs people in 'high-profile' positions to make events that took place closer to home (or involved one's own country) higher on the public's consciousness than those that took place further afield.

[Woodsey]

Isn't it similar to the way the public's focus and media reports concentrate on the deaths of British troops in say Afghanistan - rather than the deaths of those from other countries - most noticeably, Afghanistan? 

Not really, we live in England not Israel..............

The Jews who were being murdered during WWII were from Germany and Poland (and other countries).  It was a war that Britain was immersed in, and so is obviously central to our modern history.  The war against Germany was taking place in Europe, here in the UK.

You mentioned the genocide in Cambodia - as it's a place you've been.  Therefore it quite rightly is at the centre of your conciousness. However, the genocide in Rwanda is probably far less so.  I studied Japan and Japanese at uni, and lived there for a while.  The atrocities carried out by the Japanese in China and elsewhere, and the (in my opinion, unnecessary) hundreds of thousands killed by the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are probably more relevant to me than to many others in the UK and the rest of Europe. 

Surely that's the reason the holocaust is spoken about more and remembered more across Europe than the killing fields of Cambodia?  I don't think it's due to Jewish communities forcing it to the forefront of any agenda.

I've seen it in a few places including South Africa, Zimbawbe, Namibia and Cambo. OK maybe not technically genocide in all those places but the same murdering shit and I don't separate them tbh. I do think it is in part down to the presence of high profile Jewish figures in the west, I know you don't agree but hey ho, can't agree about everything. I'm not saying the holocaust isn't deserving of attention, it obv is, but gets too much at the cost of others imo. Peace out..........

Does the holocaust get the same attention the genocide carried out by Pol Pot gets in say...Thailand?  Is the bombing of Dresden high on the main events of WWII to the Japanese?  Do the people of many other nations know much (or anything) about the Falklands War (other than the Brits and the Argies)?  We hear about the war in Afghanistan fairly frequently in the UK (in the media and therefore it's at the front of the public's perception), but we hear less about the war raging in Sudan.

I don't think it needs people in 'high-profile' positions to make events that took place closer to home (or involved one's own country) higher on the public's consciousness than those that took place further afield.

We just ain't going to agree sorry, I'm quitting now before we both end up like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjDy8fYJcuw

[kinboshi]

Fair enough - just don't see any evidence to support the conspiracy theory.

(at least the thread hasn't invoked Godwin's Law - even though it's actually relevant to the subject matter )

[Laxie]

There are actually 3 parts to the video.  Here's part 3 where Adolk (the survivor) is interviewed a bit more:

[TightPaulFolds]

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