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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2010, 02:29:22 AM »


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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2010, 05:54:51 AM »

...This pretty much turns your hand face up imo.
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Does it matter?

I would have thought that if either of the other 2 players has a hand that they'd call with when they 'know' what your hand is; then it would be a hand that they'd call with if they don't 'know' it.

Of course it matters. Jamming here pretty much takes all sets and straights out of your range, possibly 2 pair hands aswell. Your range is now massively weighted towards hands like the one that you have, plus some decent draws, looks a lot like diamonds with overs aswell.

It means that you should get snapcalled by hands like small overpairs that were limped pre and 5x hands that have good equity against us. The whole point of check/shoving is that it folds out some weaker made hands that have decent equity against us. Shoving here doesn't accomplish that against a thinking player.

Now of course you could argue that most of the regulars in this tournament aren't thinking on that level and will happily pass their A5 because they can 'find a better spot' or whatever.You'd almost certainly be right and so I'd agree that shoving here is fine, but while it might not matter much in this situation against this field, against tougher players this move isn't going to be as effective imo.

That was pretty much what I meant, obviously it comes down to people reading.

I think there's a difference between what can be correct in theory, and what can be correct in practice - because, like with all game theory, the absolutely technically correct way of playing assumes your opponents will play absolutely technically correct - and in practice; they don't and they won't.
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2010, 11:27:36 AM »

Anyway I passed (I know, I know)

which is why I posted this, I'm a lemon in these spots

BB had x5, UTG A7

Check-raise was almost certainly getting through.
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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2010, 12:16:38 PM »

Anyway I passed (I know, I know)

which is why I posted this, I'm a lemon in these spots

BB had x5, UTG A7

Check-raise was almost certainly getting through.

Well you know what you've done wrong so there's no real need to say it.

In future fold these sort of hands pre. If you're prepared to make a move when you hit this flop then you can almost justify a peel pre but otherwise just don't do it.
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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2010, 02:12:08 PM »

you absolute nits, only reason not to complete pre is if you suck hard postflop, live we get sooooooo much more info. tighty, we have RIDICULOUS equity against almost any range under the sun, passing here is pretty criminal and if we are only completing to flop 2pair+ then yer we should be folding pre..................
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2010, 02:34:30 PM »

i thought this thread would be more about this

edit, can't get image to work.

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