What type of Villian do we call against here?

[SuuPRlim]

got into a spot vs a pretty much unknown player during my 6max adventures today (normally only play HU)

This is what i knew of the player at the time, 1) Id never seen him before (but i rarely play 100plo 6max) 2) he had been stacked before and topped up to 200bbs 3) he was one tabling 4) his Vpip was 66% (but tiny sample)

***** Hand History for Game 22892564968 ***** (Full Tilt)
$100.00 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, August 07, 12:48:12 ET 2010
Table Pomegranate (6 max ante deep) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Bayit ( $302.10 USD )
Seat 3: GawDamnRiver ( $338.20 USD )
Seat 4: baticera ( $263.50 USD )
Seat 5: lildavefish ( $341.80 USD )
Seat 6: PsNea ( $324.80 USD )
GawDamnRiver posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
baticera posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Bayit posts ante of [$0.20 USD].
GawDamnRiver posts ante of [$0.20 USD].
baticera posts ante of [$0.20 USD].
lildavefish posts ante of [$0.20 USD].
PsNea posts ante of [$0.20 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lildavefish [  ]
lildavefish raises [$3.50 USD]
PsNea folds
Bayit folds
GawDamnRiver raises [$12.00 USD]
baticera folds
lildavefish raises [$36.00 USD]
GawDamnRiver calls [$27.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
GawDamnRiver checks
lildavefish bets [$50.50 USD]
GawDamnRiver calls [$50.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
GawDamnRiver checks
lildavefish checks
** Dealing River ** [ ]
GawDamnRiver bets [$182.00 USD]


I think its pretty villain specific here, so what line do you take vs REGS/FISH/NITS/RANDOMS

[action man]

pretty trivial fold

[DMorgan]

Struggling to find a situation where this could be a call tbh without major history and some sort of read that he can spazjam rivers if you show weakness on the turn?

[SuuPRlim]

really? imo this is a default call, but its one of those spots where i think its pretty villian specific....

Obv we fold vs NITs and Regs, but Id be interested to hear some other people's opinions on wether vs randoms/known fish without much history/reads this is a default fold/call?

Big Charra you out there for some advising

[Patonius2000]

Nitpicky but 4b pot pf idk why you'd do anything different. Two pretty key parts to the hand:

a) a lot of his 7x hands have to have some sort of draw to go call flop which begs the question of why he isnt jamming with a pair and draw in a 4b pot this deep unless the draw is very weak. he could have 78xx but it's a super uncoordinated 78xx that 3bs your utg open flats a 4b and then can't jam flop(i.e he can't really have 782j can he).

b) turn is a great spot for him to b/c any draw that DID call the flop since you just can't continue with the majority of your 4b range and most l1 randoms will assume that you just never check stuff you want to stack off with on this board since it'd be silly to give free cards, or something.

Basically calling river depends on deciding if it is reasonable for him to have 78 or 7x or not since those are the hands that bet for value that beat you. Looking at a) if he stacks off close to correctly in 3/4b pots I'd be calling the river since he can't really have many 7x 78 hands as they'd ship flop. On the other hand if he's just a random at 1/2 he might find a way to play 7x+draw 78 incredibly passively on the flop/turn. If he's type two then he'l never ever ever bluff the river because he thinks you have two pair aces and sevens and all the draws missed.

[SuuPRlim]

Nitpicky but 4b pot pf idk why you'd do anything different. Two pretty key parts to the hand:

a) a lot of his 7x hands have to have some sort of draw to go call flop which begs the question of why he isnt jamming with a pair and draw in a 4b pot this deep unless the draw is very weak. he could have 78xx but it's a super uncoordinated 78xx that 3bs your utg open flats a 4b and then can't jam flop(i.e he can't really have 782j can he).

b) turn is a great spot for him to b/c any draw that DID call the flop since you just can't continue with the majority of your 4b range and most l1 randoms will assume that you just never check stuff you want to stack off with on this board since it'd be silly to give free cards, or something.

Basically calling river depends on deciding if it is reasonable for him to have 78 or 7x or not since those are the hands that bet for value that beat you. Looking at a) if he stacks off close to correctly in 3/4b pots I'd be calling the river since he can't really have many 7x 78 hands as they'd ship flop. On the other hand if he's just a random at 1/2 he might find a way to play 7x+draw 78 incredibly passively on the flop/turn. If he's type two then he'l never ever ever bluff the river because he thinks you have two pair aces and sevens and all the draws missed.

wiiiiiii enter P2k .

ty. Knowing little to nothing about the villain exceot for some extremely variable pices of info, and with this analysis, given that yes he is a random 1 tabling, so wont be bluffing all that often, but at the same time has so few houses/7s he takes this line with (as you say how often he has 7/78xx hands, how often he bets full pot with a house and how often he bets a 7 at all - I think a naked seven gets checked back here far more than it should) do you go with the "he rarely has it" or the "he isnt bluffing that frequently" approach, with our lack of extra information?

My default for these spots is just to call because I dont like folding when players I dont know take "non-standard" lines vs me when they ultimatley end up repping an extremely thin value range because people are spazzing out so often that it seems like a mistake. This may well be spewy idk

as for preflop not sure why I didnt pot it, you know my tendancy to piss about with pre-flop sizing. I think I was probably trying to exercise some balance in 3bet sizing given there were some regs on the table, I often 3/4bet smaller In pos super deep because its impossible to get the PSR shallow enough for a pot/commit on the flop that I think in certain spots its good to try and keep the PSR as deep as you can while 3/4betting (for "wiggle voom")....obv this spot vs a random in pos with AAxx it seems pretty stupid to anything but pot. this was probs the session after i watched the skjervoy vid and I was just trying to be him.

Thanks for taking the time out to comment buddy, I know how busy you are x