Ruling question ?

[Cf]

I dont think the board and cards need to be intact providing that there is an agreement on the contents of both and they can still be retrieved (ie board and cards are dead but all still in a pile, prob with burn cards, but not in muck)

They can even be all mixed together. As long as the dealer can verify the board/hands we can fix this. If not then you're probably screwed. Unless there's a camera on the table, but i'm guessing there isn't.

The fact that the locals are arguing that it can't be changed because the pot has been awarded rather than not being sure on the cards suggests full well they know it's a split pot.

[Cf]

I don't totally blame the dealer as he had dealt the same speed all night and on this occasion didn't see the split pot , however the locals all protested against my claim to the split pot.

Huh? Totally blame the dealer. Being able to read a 5 card poker hand is the most basic skill a dealer could need. If he can't even do that right.... Mistakes can happen sure, but it sounds like he needs to slow down a bit.

What would happen in a higher buy in game like a £1k + game ?

The same rules apply. Don't play a £1k event at this venue obv.

[pleno1]

Mark Trett?!

[BulldozerD]

argue louder imo

[GreekStein]

where was this?

[acc2020]

Its not my intention to name and shame any individual or venue , although i will state it was a Grosvenor and not a pub game.

Seems to be a mixture of opinion here , no clear answer .

Thinking about it more , the dealer has more blame on his shoulders . Am i right in thinking dealers should announce the winning hand and pass the chips before gathering the cards ?

[kinboshi]

Its not my intention to name and shame any individual or venue , although i will state it was a Grosvenor and not a pub game.

Seems to be a mixture of opinion here , no clear answer .

Thinking about it more , the dealer has more blame on his shoulders . Am i right in thinking dealers should announce the winning hand and pass the chips before gathering the cards ?

I don't really see that much of a mixture of opinion.  Isn't everyone saying the ruling is terrible?

[pleno1]

Its not my intention to name and shame any individual or venue , although i will state it was a Grosvenor and not a pub game.

l
ol no surprise there

[Cf]

Its not my intention to name and shame any individual or venue , although i will state it was a Grosvenor and not a pub game.

Seems to be a mixture of opinion here , no clear answer .

Thinking about it more , the dealer has more blame on his shoulders . Am i right in thinking dealers should announce the winning hand and pass the chips before gathering the cards ?

err, there's a very clear answer. It was the wrong ruling. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

[vinni]

sheffield G probably ,the worst poker manager ever .

[GreekStein]

Yeah everyone agrees ruling is terrible.

You should say where imo - maybe the cardroom manager will see this and decide to learn the rules of the game

[SuuPRlim]

I immediately say its a split pot with one neutral guy agreeing , however the dealer and the other locals say its too late as the pot has been awarded.

Other locals need to GTFO, I see it all the time where the regs gang up and tilt the opinions of dealers and TD's - it's BS and I would really kick up a fuss but its hard cos it can be a tad intimidating.

I ask for a manager and he too says once the cards have been retrieved and awarded the result stands. WTF !!

Get anther manager

I don't totally blame the dealer as he had dealt the same speed all night and on this occasion didn't see the split pot , however the locals all protested against my claim to the split pot.

You should blame him, it's his fault. However it is the person in charge's fault 3x.

Was the correct ruling given by the manager ?

No, not even a contentious issue its 100% wrong and i you can get a PRO TD who has a clue to disagree with me then il put my face through my monitor.
If I was you here I'd be demanding my money back and wouldn't be leaving the casino without it.

What would happen in a higher buy in game like a £1k + game ?

The guy;s in charge are proffesionals and not just pit bosses and roulette dealers covering a shift in the cardroom.

Name and Shame Venue on here, hopefully they will see it and do something to rectify the situation. gl and VVUL

[doubleup]

Am i right in thinking dealers should announce the winning hand and pass the chips before gathering the cards ?

The ideal procedure should be to move the relevant board cards forward, muck the losing hand, pass the pot to the winner and then muck everything. 

[CHIPPYMAN]

why asked questions and not named the person or places occurred?

r u scared of being banned or what?

[Foggy]

By not naming and shaming, you are making other forum members guess which Grosvenor Casino is involved. IMO that you should speak out and inform the members to be wary of visiting, Grosvenor ................?